[Zuriel]

**I’m not sure what you are saying.**

I was referring to John 16:13, “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”

**It doesn’t say Christ was created.**

Well, the speaker in Isaiah 42:1-7 takes credit for all of creation in verse 5. And the Son was begotten. I think Paul does a nice job, touching on the subject in 1Cor. 8:6:

“But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

We know that the only begotten Son is the “holy child Jesus”, so he is of the Father. The rest of the verse is deeper than this tired truck driver has time to attempt to elaborate on tonight.

[HarleyD]

Me-**It doesn’t say Christ was created.** You-Well, the speaker in Isaiah 42:1-7 takes credit for all of creation in verse 5.

You seem to be stuck on a few verses wanting to ignore the rest of the scriptures. Moreover, you're wrapped around archaic word structures.

John is very specific and clear about the eternity of Christ:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ...Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Three issues; 1) He (Christ) was with God, 2) He was God, 3) He became flesh. He was in the beginning just as "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth". He wasn't created. Christ descended from heaven:

Joh 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

It is rather clear.

I would offer a word of caution also from John. He states the following:

1Jn 4:2-3 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

So if you find yourself in disagreement with John 1 that the Word became flesh and dwelled among us and John 3 that the Christ descended from heaven, then you should heed the warning given in 1 John that those who cannot accept this truth, that Christ as God has come down from heaven in the flesh, is being deceived by the spirit of the antichrist.