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To: tjd1454
Father, Son, Spirit. One God, one essence, three divine attributes; eternal through the ages, working together and apart in divine harmony to bring about one perfect will.

There, did that clear it up. :O)

If you don't understand it, you're not alone. The Trinity is a very complicated mystery. It's like trying to describe a QQuait on the Planet Zendora for the first time.

All we know is that the Trinity is revealed to us in both the Old and New Testament. It is more complete in the New as this mystery has been (somewhat) revealed. John tells us that those who deny the eternal Father/Son relationship is evidence that they are unbelievers.

All world religions and views that denies our Lord Jesus as the Son of God, co-equal and co-eternal, regardless of anything else, is the antichrist.
103 posted on 08/13/2017 12:44:20 PM PDT by HarleyD (Ecc 10:2 A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left.)
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To: HarleyD; Zuriel

HarlyD, From your post.

All we know is that the Trinity is revealed to us in both the Old and New Testament. It is more complete in the New as this mystery has been (somewhat) revealed. John tells us that those who deny the eternal Father/Son relationship is evidence that they are unbelievers.

1Jn 2:21-26 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. W ho is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that he made to us—eternal life. I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.

You underlined the wrong part, Zuriel has not denied the Father or the Son. I feel you have a much bigger problem in the preceding verse.

Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?

Matthew 16:13-17King James Version (KJV)

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus is stating only a non spirit filled man would say he is god. He made the same point, to some degree, when Thomas called him god. He told him, “Seeing me is why you believe.” In other words, your unbelief made you think only a god could come back to life. Notice also He did not tell Thomas the same thing He told the other disciples about forgiving sin and did not blow the Holy Spirit on him.

Are you going to be a liar and not call Jesus the Christ, the anointed one of God as He and the Father claim or a god as men claimed 300 plus years after His death and resurrection?

You seem to have a hard time understanding Zuriel, stating in John, Jesus claiming His Father did the miracles thru Him. Maybe Peter will make it plain enough for you to understand the concept.

Acts 2:22-26King James Version (KJV)

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

May God our Father lead us to His truth? BVB


107 posted on 08/13/2017 8:34:06 PM PDT by Bobsvainbabblings
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