To the best of my understanding there are 22 rites of the Catholic Church, all of them considered valid and meeting of Sunday obligation (please correct me if I am wrong).
The New Order Mass always seemed a bit crass to me and removed the dignity of the Tridentine (TLM). However, its greatest problem was turning the altar around and having the priest face the congregation. Instead of leading people in worship, he now seems to demonstrate or act out the worship for the viewers in the congregation. Please note that previous comment is personal opinion, but highly influenced by Cardinal Sarah.
I also have a problem with the TLM, namely that it is in Latin. Always felt it should have been offered properly translated to the native language. The language barrier creates a separation that should not be there.
The TLM is a fairly old service (800 years or so - please correct me if wrong) and considered (by Catholics) to be without [significant] error during its time (~1200 until 1970). I can see no reason to bar its use as inappropriate. The Vatican does have a point though in wanting uniformity of service in Roman Catholic parishes. Perhaps it is time to create a Latin Rite Catholic Church (my apologies if it already exists), that uses the TLM instead of NO. Separate Rite not just separate service.
As mentioned earlier in the thread there are Byzantine Rite Catholics that use the Liturgy of St. John Chysostom and St. Basil the Great (originating from the 3rd and 4th century) and are usually translated into English (very respectfully). Perhaps it might be enlightening to see how Christians worshipped in the early centuries of the Church.
Maybe a different Rite for each service. Might be the real solution if the Vatican isn’t just looking to destroy the TLM and then the other Liturgies later.
They can’t separate the rite into two, because the Latin Rite is the Roman Rite as in Bishop of Rome=Pope.
If they tried they know it would touch off a huge schism.
Since the 1570 Missal of Pius V was issued in the wake of the Council of Trent, the ancient rite has often been referred to as the Tridentine Mass. While there is nothing inherently wrong with this term, it can (and has) been used by some seeking to diminish the ancient rite by implying that it only dates back to 1570.
This, of course, is a myth.
Writing 50 years before the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) and the promulgation of the new Mass of Paul VI (1970), Father Adrian Fortescue discussed the very antiquity of the Roman Rite in his classic, The Mass: A Study of the Roman Liturgy (1912):
“Essentially the Missal of St. Pius V is the Gregorian Sacramentary; that again is formed from the Gelasian book which depends on the Leonine collection. We find the prayers of our Canon in the treatise de Sacramentisand allusions to it in the IV century. So our Mass goes back, without essential change, to the age when it first developed out of the oldest liturgy of all. It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God. The final result of our enquiry is that, in spite of unsolved problems, in spite of later changes, there is not in Christendom another rite so venerable as ours.”
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