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To: piusv
I don't see Vatican II as the problem. I see it as a symptom of the problem or a result of the problem. The problem is faithlessness and worldliness in the Church as evidenced by the way the Church treated Our Lady's requests.

So, we won't consecrate Russia by name coz that might make the Russians mad.....and we won't reveal the Third Secret now, even though it's 1960, coz it doesn't concern the present time and we won't promote the 5 first Saturdays..... etc etc.

Faithlessness. Worldly pragmatism. Essentially, the Church blew off Our Lady's requests. Instead of doing the Consecration which Our Lady requested, we got a Council which Our Lady never requested. Gee, I wonder how that worked out? With hindsight, it couldn't be anything but a disaster, could it?

5 posted on 07/21/2017 7:58:24 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
OK, I can go along with the idea that Vatican II wasn't the primary cause. Ultimately, Vatican II came about due to a lack of faith. But more specifically, due to a lack of CATHOLIC FAITH. Such a lack of Catholic faith resulted in a Council that promulgated something other than Catholic.

Rather than admit or accept the fact that the Council was not Catholic, those prelates who seem to at least see something wrong with it will come up with excuses such as "it was merely a pastoral council" (even though there has never been such a "pastoral" ecumenical council in the history of the Catholic Church) or that it was "ambiguous" (when in reality it's pretty darn clear that the teachings are contrary to the Catholic Faith/what came before).

It's time for prelates such as Bishop Schneider to stop making excuses for a non-Catholic Council and do the right thing and call for its demise. The Dubia Four (now Three) need to stop focusing on just the non-Catholic sexual morality teachings in Francis' Amoris Latitia and speak up against the non-Catholic teachings in Vatican II (for example, notice that they never publicly state that they have issues with Francis' praise for Luther...that's because that would go against the new, false Vatican II Religion of Ecumenism).

Wrt Vatican II these prelates are every bit as Modernist as the other. That's why it's really hard for them to see the truth of the matter. But until they do, change their ways, and convert to the Catholic Faith, this Crisis will get worse and get worse fast.

6 posted on 07/21/2017 12:22:19 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: marshmallow
Vatican II May Fail: Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton's 1962 Warning
8 posted on 07/21/2017 5:40:24 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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