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2 John 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I did not wish [to do so] with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.


60 posted on 07/14/2017 2:47:29 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

RE: 2 John 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I did not wish [to do so] with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

And if these things he told them (not written in paper and ink ) were so important, why did he not put them in paper in the first place?

Has it not dawned on you that perhaps what he told them orally was not much different than what he wrote to them?

Citing the above verse is not proof that traditions like the Immaculate Conception or Papal Infallibility or prayer to the saints were mentioned orally and not put into paper.

If these traditions form an integral part of the faith, it is strange that they were never written down at all.

The argument seems to be that these unwritten traditions referred to are different than those which were written. Such cannot be proven from this verse.

You must be pressed to prove that both categories contain different information.

The ore satisfactory and straightforward understanding is John and the Apostle Paul speak of the gospel, not doctrines like papal infallibility, indulgences, or the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

If these Traditions indeed exist, the act of producing them should be an easy task. However, Roman Catholic apologists for instance, can only point to highly debatable vague inferences from Scripture on such doctrines, further impaired by any lack of infallible biblical definition from the papacy.

Note what St. Paul says when he mentioned tradition in 2 Thessalonians 2:5, after writing on the man of lawlessness, Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? The content being told matched that being written.


78 posted on 07/14/2017 9:25:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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