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To: ealgeone

By giving her these titles, among others, Roman Catholicism is indeed saying that.


No matter how many times you make this assertion, you will never find it stated in the doctrine of the Catholic Church that Mary has the same status as Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that Jesus Christ is the “one mediator between God and the human race.” Through his sacrificial offering he has become high priest and unique mediator who has gained for us access to God’s saving grace for humanity. It further states that Mary is sometimes called Mediatrix in virtue of her cooperation in the saving mission of Christ, who alone is the unique mediator between God and humanity.

Lucem gentium states:

- The titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix do not take away from dignity of Christ as the one Mediator.

- No creature could ever be counted as equal with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer.

- The Church does not hesitate to profess this subordinate role of Mary.

I am not totally comfortable with the Fifth Marian Dogma and I hope that it is not approved. But even it acknowledges the subordinate role that Mary plays in cooperation with Jesus, who is the one Mediator. It does not put Mary on an equal status with Jesus.


109 posted on 07/10/2017 6:00:47 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: rwa265
No matter how many times you make this assertion, you will never find it stated in the doctrine of the Catholic Church that Mary has the same status as Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Roman Catholics seem to like to have this issue both ways. They want to give Mary all of the accolades and have the idols of her and prayers to her and when called on it they resort to something along the lines of what you've noted.

Mary is accorded far more to her in Roman Catholicism which is not recorded in the NT. Her titles, given by Roman Catholicism, do not start appearing until ~ 3rd century.

When I read things like this form St. Alphonsus de' Ligouri, a Roman Catholic bishop, who was declared to be a Doctor of the Church by Pope Pius IX in 1871, it is very difficult to accept what you say.

I've not seen any Roman Catholic denounce what he's said as being inaccurate.

Are you willing to denounce what he's written below? (bold and paragraph mine for emphais)

That is, O Lady, it is true that all the Saints desire our salvation, and pray for us; but the love, the tenderness, that thou showest us in Heaven, in obtaining for us, by thy prayers, so many mercies from God, obliges us to acknowledge that in Heaven

we have but one Advocate,

and that is thyself, and that thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our welfare.

The Glories of Mary, p 158 (google books)

No matter how many disclaimers you want to add this is in contradiction of the New Testament.

For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:5 NASB

He is also on record as quoting St. Bonaventure, "No one can enter Heaven unless by Mary, as though through a door."

There is nothing in the NT supporting this.

Liguori also writes: Thou art the dispenser of all graces, our salvation is in thy hands.

Again, there is nothing in the NT supporting this. In fact, it stands in contradiction of the NT.

Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. James 1:17 NASB

Are you willing to say what a Roman Catholic bishop, declared to be a Doctor of the Church, has written is wrong?

I can certainly understand why you would not be comfortable with the Fifth Marian dogma. But I predict it will be approved.

I agree with Pope Benedict XVI...the the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings.

That can be said for all of the Marian dogmas based on a study of Scripture.

110 posted on 07/10/2017 6:44:45 PM PDT by ealgeone
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