To: EliRoom8
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You need to re-read John 3.
This time believing every word of it.
Salvation only happens at the last trump.
Then re-read Revelation Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
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219 posted on
06/21/2017 9:04:11 PM PDT by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
You are advocating a works-based salvation. For that, Anathema on you. What a cop-out to just say I need to reread John 3. Precisely where do your salvation works enter?
Where in John 3 did I miss something?
Anathema!
To: editor-surveyor
Rev. 20: Most important -- these are UNBELIEVERS who are judged for their works at the Great White Throne judgement. Believers are judged at the Bema Seat . From Spirit and Truth via PreceptAustin concerning REVELATION 20: according to their works, by the things which were written in the books The things written is τῶν γεγραμμένων [tōn gegrammenōn] , perfect tense passive participle: the things having been written. The contents of the books were written in the past. This is the record of all their good and bad deeds prior to death. They will be judged both by their deeds and by their knowledge: There is a principle in Scripture that does teach degrees of punishment based upon degrees of sinfulness and upon greater or lesser light or knowledge and the response or lack of it to that light [Mat. 11:20-24; Luke 12:47-48; John 19:11].93 When we speak to people who reject the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ and ask them by what means they hope to enter heaven, they almost universally reply with the notion that they are basically good and that by their deeds they will find entry. They are convinced: (1) that their good deeds will outweigh the bad, (2) so long as they are better than some other person then they are acceptable to Godthat God grades their sin on a scale relative to other people. The truth is, from Gods perspective their bad deeds universally outweigh the good. Moreover, God does not grade on a relative scale to other people, but relative to the perfection of God Himself. This is an absolute scale. Blind to these realities, they are convinced they will gain heaven by their works. And so God has promised to judge them by their works: Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavors; give them according to the work of their hands; render to them what they deserve. (Ps. 28:4) If you say, Surely we did not know this, does not He who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, does He not know it? And will He not render to each man according to his deeds? (Pr. 24:12) For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil. (Ecc. 12:14) I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings. (Jer. 17:10 cf. Jer. 32:19) ***The unbelieving dead will get what they desire: they will be judged by their works. But their works will be found to be imperfect. Not only in application, but in motivation because it is impossible for those who lack faith to please God (Heb. 11:6). Even their altruistic works are flawed by selfish and deceptive motivations.*** The unregenerate man can, through common grace, love his family and he may be a good citizen. He may give a million dollars to build a hospital. . . If a drunkard, he may abstain from drink for utilitarian purposes, but he cannot do it out of love for God. All of his common virtues or good works have a fatal defect in that his motives which prompt them are not to glorify God, a defect so vital that it throws any element of goodness as to man wholly into the shade.95 The books will be opened and sin will be found. Lacking a covering for sin and unable to produce perfection, they will be unable to be in Gods presence and are destined for the Lake of Fire. Being a righteous and just God, the degree of their sin will determine their relative degree of torment. But all torment is torment. It should be noted that while there are varying degrees of punishment in hell, everyone there will suffer intolerable, indescribable misery and torment. All sinners in hell will be utterly separated from God and all that comes from His goodness. Thus, they will be miserable, but not equally miserable. Bible.org has more to say on this topic -- 22:12 Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. While salvation is a gift, there are rewards given for faithfulness in the Christian life and loss of rewards for unfaithfulness. Rewards become one of the great motives of the Christians life or should. But we need to understand the nature of these rewards to understand the nature of the motivation. Some people are troubled by the doctrine of rewards because this seems to suggest merit instead of grace, and because, it is pointed out, we should only serve the Lord out of love and for Gods glory.
To: editor-surveyor
>Salvation only happens at the last trump.<<
Exposition by Marvel Comics?
Forgive me. I shouldn’t even be corresponding with you. Actually, salvation occurs in the 3rd inning of the second game of the World Series.
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