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To: metmom; boatbum
Hey, I was reading through Clement of Alexandria (150-215AD) last night. It's a difficult read but in the Stromata, Book VII, Chapter XVI Clement goes into great detail about the use of scripture and tradition. The chapter title is Scripture the Criterion by Which Truth and Heresy Are Distinguished. He states, in part, the following:

Those who would argue that scripture was not available are at odds with what Clement has written. Apparently scripture was available enough in 200AD that common believers could have access. It doesn't seem to be an issue with Clement.

Clement has far more to say in this chapter-these are only some brief highlights. As Clement points out from the above passage; 1) people were adding to the scripture (note with Mary), 2) people would take passages of scripture and frame heretical beliefs from them, or 3) they use scripture to justify their actions rather than letting scripture expose their corruption.

Most importantly, Clement makes very clear that a truly faithful person will be guided by scripture and the Holy Spirit.

54 posted on 06/20/2017 5:24:14 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Oh! People could frame heretical beliefs from Scripture can they? And does that perhaps tell us a little something about the supposed perspicacity we hear so much about?

I noticed your ellipses left out this little bit of the Stromata:

As, then, if a man should, similarly to those drugged by Circe, become a beast; so he, who has spurned the ecclesiastical tradition, and darted off to the opinions of heretical men, has ceased to be a man of God and to remain faithful to the Lord.
This is exactly what I mean about cutting and pasting select bits of the Fathers and ignoring the entirety of their arguments and lives. In that very same passage you quoted to defend the reliance on Scripture, Clement states clearly that he who departs from ecclesiastical tradition has ceased to be a man of God.

We have never objected to Scripture being a rule of faith. We object to it being made the only rule of faith, because we have always maintained that Scripture and Apostolic tradition go hand in hand. Seems to me that is exactly what Clement is saying.

At least you're reading Clement though. That's promising, and it speaks very well of your intellect.

56 posted on 06/20/2017 6:32:17 AM PDT by Claud
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To: HarleyD

And here you are, bursting their bubble with those pesky facts again.


71 posted on 06/20/2017 9:45:28 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: HarleyD

Thanks for that. Clement was also very critical of the idea of the pope of Rome being the head bishop of all the Christian churches.


78 posted on 06/20/2017 6:50:40 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages)
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