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Pre-Vatican II [Non Caucus Open thread]

Posted on 06/11/2017 12:57:49 PM PDT by Trad Bishop

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To: metmom

So much for that idea of only one version of Roman Catholicism.


42 posted on 06/12/2017 5:02:16 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Trad Bishop
Theologically, there is so much difference that the protestants have no problem bashing Mary, calling Her a terrible sinner, saying She had other children

I've never seen a single post here "bashing" Mary. Scripture tells us that she was special, unique among women of that time. Scripture also tells us that she was in need of a savior however, meaning that she was a sinner just as every single human being who has ever walked the face of this earth other than Jesus Christ himself has been.

As far as having children, she was married. There was no sin in her bearing children or in engaging in the act that produces them. She and Joseph became one flesh. Scripture tells us of siblings of Jesus.

If it makes you feel any better, you appear to be a far greater sinner than Mary ever was, just on the basis of having posted this somewhat ludicrous thread. Sins of pride and bearing false witness just for starters.

43 posted on 06/12/2017 5:26:17 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ealgeone

Well, that’s a lie.


44 posted on 06/12/2017 5:29:28 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Trad Bishop
What are you lecturing me for? I'm not "marking iniquity" against anyone, just disagreeing with you.

Are you going to post your credentials? As it is, claiming to be a "bishop" behind the screen of anonymity is, to put it diplomatically, most problematic.

45 posted on 06/12/2017 5:36:27 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: ealgeone; Trad Bishop
So much for that idea of only one version of Roman Catholicism.

How do we know we're even discussing "Roman Catholicism"? Are you sure there's anything "Roman" involved here?

46 posted on 06/12/2017 5:43:03 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: miss marmelstein
So you didn’t have permission to do this, you took it upon yourself and brought out the usual miscreants plus the owner of the site.

Unless you care to clarify or retract your statement my point is again proven.

47 posted on 06/12/2017 5:44:47 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: RegulatorCountry
Scripture also tells us that she was in need of a savior however, meaning that she was a sinner just as every single human being who has ever walked the face of this earth other than Jesus Christ himself has been.

A person can "need a savior" without ever having committed any actual sin, so your syllogism doesn't really work. A child who dies at the age of two has committed no actual sin. I can assure you that even such a child does not enter heaven apart from the merits of Jesus Christ.

48 posted on 06/12/2017 5:45:13 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Campion

The title of the thread and content deal overwhelmingly with Romam Catholicism. Which version, we’re not sure.


49 posted on 06/12/2017 5:58:23 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Campion

The two year hold is a sinner and does need a Savior. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.


50 posted on 06/12/2017 6:05:06 AM PDT by ealgeone
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Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! (Through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault!) I have prayed all through the night over what you, my fellow Freepers have said to me and what the Moderator has said. I want to thank you all for what I've concluded in my prayers are your legitimate concerns concerning me and the rules. I hope that you can accept my assurances that there was not only no malice intended but rather, love.

Ebb tide, I want to especially thank you for your persistence in pursuing whether or not I am a Bishop. It turns out that that is a part of the answer to my prayers. I was consecrated a Bishop in the Traditional Rite some nineteen years ago. Thus my pseudonym, Trad Bishop. Like the centurion in the Bible, I have been used to having people accept my authority and obeying my orders. I am now retired, but again as the Scripture says: "I am a priest forever according to the order of Melchisedech." As you are no doubt aware, Consecration to the Episcopacy gives that priest the fullness of the priesthood.

I always try to discharge my duties using 2 Timothy 4:1~5 as my guide. I also try always to keep the image of my crucified Lord always in view, especially in regard to those who, like Jesus, are meek and humble of heart to champion them. Again, as one used to authority, when I identify what I consider by using the example of Jesus in the Gospels, to be an apparent good, e.g. our salvation that Jesus went to the Cross for, I tried not to rest until that good was brought about.

I am apparently, thanks to you, now coming to the realization, since I am retired, that I'm no longer playing on my home field. That I no longer have the authority or the esteem that used to go with my office as Bishop. I'm realizing more acutely that I am the visiting team and that the home teams rules are different from the ones that I had set up for my own ball park.

Again, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

I assure you that this retired old dog can and will learn these new tricks. Please be patient with me and pray for me as I mean you, as I mean my God, only love. I'm still working on that with him also. Again, thank you for your concerns, and please continue not only to point out where I don't fit in, but on a positive note, point the way to do so.

51 posted on 06/12/2017 7:03:18 AM PDT by Trad Bishop
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To: ealgeone
The two year hold is a sinner and does need a Savior.

As I explained, the two year old definitely needs a Savior.

As for "being a sinner," please list the sins a two year old can commit, or has committed.

52 posted on 06/12/2017 8:37:42 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: ealgeone

It seems that the claim for one version of Catholicism is not an accurate assessment of the situation.


53 posted on 06/12/2017 8:37:47 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone; Trad Bishop

“Roman Catholicism”? Where is the evidence that “Trad Bishop” is any more in communion with Rome than you are?


54 posted on 06/12/2017 8:39:30 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Trad Bishop
I was consecrated a Bishop in the Traditional Rite some nineteen years ago.

With all due respect, sir, by whom were you ordained, and with whom are you in communion today?

55 posted on 06/12/2017 8:41:47 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: ealgeone
Please note that I am explicitly rejecting every form of Pelagianism. Nobody gets to save themselves, no matter how perfect, holy, or sinless they are.

That includes the Blessed Virgin, as she would be the first to tell you.

See, I'm really very, very Augustinian. >:-()

56 posted on 06/12/2017 8:46:15 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Campion
As for "being a sinner," please list the sins a two year old can commit, or has committed.

Are you a parent?

57 posted on 06/12/2017 8:52:44 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Campion
“Roman Catholicism”? Where is the evidence that “Trad Bishop” is any more in communion with Rome than you are?

We've been told too many times on these threads all of Roman Catholicism is the same. There is no independent thought...though that is negated on these threads.

And no...I'm not in communion with Rome.

I follow Jesus Christ.

58 posted on 06/12/2017 8:54:29 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

“Are you a parent? “

I am. A two year old can’t sin.

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59 posted on 06/12/2017 8:59:07 AM PDT by Mears (Clorox bleach is a racist product.)
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To: Mears
I am. A two year old can’t sin.

Then you've raised a perfect child.

I assure you a two year old can and does sin.

60 posted on 06/12/2017 9:04:26 AM PDT by ealgeone
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