[BlueDragon]

The point is that the type of sources you rely upon regarding Luther, and which you had told dragonblustar he must read prior to himself commenting upon Luther, are the true "bottom-of-the-barrel" scrapings. The kind which fearful men, ignorant of the workings of the Holy Spirit, and full of hatred for Martin Luther had long disseminated among Roman Catholics, and unfortunately, from some quarters within Roman Catholicism, are doing so unto this day.

It is much more yourself ---who, until you could ever understand what the man was saying --- should not quote him anymore.

Luther was not inventing anything new, but he did flesh particular ideas out, following those to what seemed to himself the honest ends which he personally found and experienced within himself, and could see in other men too, doing so at a time when the greater part of the Latin church had very much lost it's way --- had converted what must be understood by way of spirit into being ceremony and pagan-like superstitions concerning the things of God-- a God few appeared in that era, to know. In place of needed understanding of the working of the Holy Ghost within a man -- and how man has natural tendency to pull away (as was established in OT scripture through the long experience of the Jews) was put ceremony, and outward practices of church and it's priesthood.

None of us initially, at the very least, approach God due to our own choosing. Council of Orange settled that, with remaining influences from there still in today's Roman Catholic catechism.

[BlueDragon]

Woops.

Apologies for the bolding of the near entire comment. I'd intended to bold only the one freeper name, dragonblustar, since that's being used as a freeper "name".

[ebb tide]

You are technically correct. Quoting Luther directly is scraping the bottom of the barrel; but he is the source of the rot and everything he spoke or wrote is rot. The buck stops with him.

Luther was not inventing anything new,...

Yeah, right. Then why are y'all celebrating the 500th yr anniversary of his revolt this coming October? Did Christ's Church have it all wrong for 1500 years, until Luther came along. Luther knew better than Christ apparently.

[ebb tide]

You remind me of the so-called “moderate” moslems. They don’t like to reveal Muhammed’s more wicked statements as you do with Luther’s.