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To: StormPrepper

Ah, you must be LDS. Martin left some of you very butt-hurt by holding LDS claims up for examination. Calling him a liar and a fraud may make you feel better but that claim is as ignorant as it is baseless.

Martin never made a big deal out of having a PhD, it was irrelevant. But for those like you trying to gin it up as a controversy here’s the story:

“Some opponents have made claims that Martin did not have a valid doctorate. Mr and Mrs Robert Brown of Arizona, two Latter-Day Saints, have stated that California Western University, now known as California Coast University (CCU) was not accredited at the time the degree was awarded. In addition some opponents of Martin claim he purchased his doctorate from CCU, which they claim was a degree mill.

“It must be noted that Martin completed all the coursework at New York University, which is also an accredited school. Furthermore, California Coast University also offers fully accredited programmes,[56] being accredited by the State of California since 1974. Such approval is currently granted by the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education. It, however, received national accreditation only in 2005, from the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC). It obtained this status after a study by the US General Accounting Office (GAO), which sought to provide national accreditation to schools that offered high quality education, which concluded that CCU was never a diploma mill and never committed wrongdoing.


17 posted on 05/21/2017 2:08:38 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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To: Pelham; StormPrepper
Ah, you must be LDS.

I remember StormPrepper as a Mormon apologist on other threads. If someone cannot see the multitude of frauds and falsehoods in the life of Joseph Smith, I have no confidence that he can spot it in someone else. Talk about a blind spot.

19 posted on 05/23/2017 8:17:50 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: Pelham
Ah, you must be LDS. Martin left some of you very butt-hurt by holding LDS claims up for examination. Calling him a liar and a fraud may make you feel better but that claim is as ignorant as it is baseless.

Martin was irrelevant. He was typical of all the professional anti-Mormons; he relied on half-truths, strawman, and out right lies to sell his books.

He claimed to have a PhD in order to promote a persona of authority again in order to sell his material.

Martin lied about receiving a degree from “Biblical Seminary”, (now known as “New York Theological Seminary”), when in truth he bought a mail-order “Ph.D.” from an unaccredited mail-order diploma mill. Even though Martin claims not to have received this “Ph.D” until 1977, he repeatedly, fraudulently, referred to himself as “Dr.” Walter Martin on a number of documented occasions.

Martin lied under oath in a court deposition about doing a Master’s Thesis for his M.A. at NYU, claiming that it was completed in 1956. Martin later admitted on the BAM that he had not done a Master’s Thesis at all. NYU confirmed, in a letter dated Sept 22, 1982 that the course of study that Martin was involved in did not require a thesis.

Baseless? Really?

The entire anti-Mormon effort is irrelevant as it always has been. Joseph Smith Jr. will be remembered by tens of millions for the good he brought about. And hundreds of millions will have been blessed by the Church he restored. Martin is already all but forgotten.


21 posted on 05/24/2017 9:36:46 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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