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Methodist High Court Rejects First Openly Gay Bishop’s Consecration
The New York Times ^ | 4/28/17 | Laurie Goodstein

Posted on 04/29/2017 6:28:39 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: lightman

It is the conservatives who want an amicable schism. The Bishops and superintendents hold this out as a carrot. But the supers and bishops will never allow a schism, because they will not allow the money to be divided.


41 posted on 05/01/2017 6:35:04 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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smh = shaking my head


42 posted on 05/01/2017 6:43:48 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: imardmd1

It was still WSCS in our town until the late 60s, or even after. Perhaps the UMW thing differed from one congregation to another.

I did some research a few years ago and found that the deep funding amassed for missionaries attracted some bad characters in the 1920s who had become enamored of the Soviet Revolution of 1917, went to South America as Methodist missionaries, got all involved in the poisonous marxist “liberation theology” claptrap, and returned to America exercising influence over the national headquarters and later the seminaries. It took decades for this poison to seep down to the parishes and pews, but seep it did.

By the late 60s, Wesley’s methodical “pursuit of Christian perfection” was out the door, but many congregants stayed on in no small part because Methodism was so long established in America by then that they had multi-generational ties in the church, previously-purchased family grave sites next to a church and so on. Leaving was like a divorce for me, one of those kinds of people.

Even recently I took my grown child to see the now-moldering building of a once-grand Methodist church where I as a chlld, my parents, grandparents and one set of great-grandparents attended. It was like viewing a corpse, since the place built to hold 600 now has 19 active members.


43 posted on 05/01/2017 6:57:25 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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Even recently I took my grown child to see the now-moldering building of a once-grand Methodist church where I as a chlld, my parents, grandparents and one set of great-grandparents attended. It was like viewing a corpse, since the place built to hold 600 now has 19 active members.

Kyrie eleison x 40

44 posted on 05/01/2017 6:59:43 PM PDT by lightman (Trump = A glorious amalgamation of Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan!)
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Σας ευχαριστώ, φίλος.
45 posted on 05/01/2017 7:58:22 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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Though I saw the local scene from the view of a parsonage for my first 21 years, not one bit of what you describe was ever talked about, at least to children or youths. I am sure that what you have said must be true, but in those days politics and political theory simply was not on the agenda for most small-town people. Everybody had their own church, and you pretty much left politics and religion alone. Kids just played together, although allegiances were just a family thing, generation to generation. I saw very little of the inside of a RCC or Episcopal church until I was in my 30s.

Boy, is it ever different now!

46 posted on 05/01/2017 9:25:46 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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I have lived in or near large East coast cities all my long life, and Methodism started in Baltimore in the 1700s, becoming strong there and radiatiing outward, so the “advances” of marxism and Democrat politics took over our conferences from Philly down to DC first, no doubt. Long, slow, heartbreaking decline.


47 posted on 05/02/2017 4:35:30 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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I cannot describe how blessed I was to have such godly, yet down-to-earth hard-working parents I had, my Dad a Methodist minister, a farm boy, good at hunting and fishing, whilst living a true Christian life, faithful to my Mom who was of the same ilk, supporting her husband in every way possible.

My problem was that I thought everybody lived this way as a norm. Growing up in small country towns where my parents were loved was a gift that I had only begun to appreciate was thee standard deviations beyond what really exists only camr to me later in life.

I am so sad that our society knows so little about it, that it isn't even wanted, let alone longed for.

I'm glad you had a taste of it. Our soldiers have bravely died for it and for their pals, that someone might have it. Methodism played quite a large role in settling and forming our American kind of life. I cannot fathom why any of its current members want it changed. Like Hillary, for instance.

48 posted on 05/02/2017 6:07:29 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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Oh, your beautiful post tears at my heart, imardmd1. I remember after leaving home that I went to the city and entered the business world like a lamb to the slaughter, not understanding that most people are not like the socially conservative, caring and modest Methodist Episcopals I grew up with. Somehow I missed hearing about the necessity for being wise as a serpent.

I have tried to explain to my son what it was like to grow up in a Christian culture, and how sad I am not to be able to give the same to him in his generation. I couldn’t even do it in my own household when he was young. When he was starting grad school, I remember saying to him, “I don’t know whether it’s better to have a wonderful society in childhood and watch it steadily disintegrate in your adult years, or whether it’s better to see the destruction around you when you’re young and be one of the ones to buildi it back up.”

The first thing is what I experienced. The second thing is his challenge.


49 posted on 05/02/2017 6:46:02 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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