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To: Fedora
You are wrong. Your assertion impugns GOD's Character, implying HE defrauded Joseph. Do you believe God used an ovum from Mary to make the human body of Jesus? Think hard before you respond, because if GOD had taken an ovum from MAry HE would be taking an ovum betrothed to JOSEPH. Do you see what you thereby accuse GOD of doing to the Marriage of Joseph and Mary? THINK! God is not confused. God is not a liar. God does not defraud people. God is not an adulterer.

When a woman consents to have the embryo formed of the spermatozoon and ovum of two other humans implanted and gestated in her womb, she has not become 'the wife' of the man whose sperm was used. If man can do it, how much more perfect can The Creator GOD do it? GOD borrowed Mary's womb WITH HER CONSENT.

509 posted on 05/08/2017 5:05:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN; Fedora

These type of arguments are not very Christian.

Read and believe how you feel best. Neither of you are right or wrong.

Go find some good to do.


510 posted on 05/08/2017 5:09:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: MHGinTN
You are wrong. Your assertion impugns GOD's Character, implying HE defrauded Joseph. Do you believe God used an ovum from Mary to make the human body of Jesus? Think hard before you respond, because if GOD had taken an ovum from MAry HE would be taking an ovum betrothed to JOSEPH.

See #530-531 for my general response on this topic. But you raise another important technical point which is actually very interesting to me (and is something St. Thomas Aquinas pondered using different language). If God did *not* take an ovum from Mary, what sense does it make to call Jesus a descendant of David, the Son of David (per Matthew 1, Luke 3, Romans 1:3, etc.)? He didn't get his DNA from Joseph--no sperm was used--God doesn't need any to create life, as we saw in Genesis 2. So no adultery was involved. Mary gave consent to a spiritual espousal, not a carnal one.

540 posted on 05/12/2017 2:56:58 AM PDT by Fedora
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