Posted on 04/13/2017 2:49:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Not worth reading.
Walter Martin wrote some great books on the cults.
Preterist at minimum.
I’m a Dispensationalist, pre-tribulation gathering of the Church as well.
You’re on the mark about the link b/w preterism and replacement theology.
Mixing up Israel and the church results in being mixed up.
I can’t remember if he’s Preterist or Dominionist.
Preterist.
“The Bible teaches that God can use an ass to speak to you.”
Well put! He can also turn us from being an ass too, as in my case :)
If God never changes or makes mistakes then what do you do with Genesis 12:3 or half of the OT, especially Isaiah, Ezekiel, & Zechariah?
I’ll never understand the replacement theologians.
Walter Martin was a treasure. A man who knew the Bible inside and out. His Book on the Cults influenced me to leave Mormonism.
Hank Hannegraaf, IMHO, was a fraud. A man whose theology was fluid and whose understanding of the Bible was dwarfed by most of the callers to his show.
His hostile takeover of the Christian Research Institute was a disgrace to the memory of Walter Martin. The Orthodox can have him. I think eventually they'll end up wishing they hadn't laid hands on him.
"Many evangelicals seek the early church; well here it is, in Orthodoxy," he continued.
ironic.
RE: As far as I know, the Orthodox church holds orthodox Christian beliefs … well duh!.
Some differences:
1) Orthodox Church believes the Apocrypha is inspired. Protestants do not.
2) Sola Sciptura: Protestants believe that their ULTIMATE authority is scripture alone. The Orthodox Church, like Roman Catholics, it is Scripture PLUS tradition.
3) The claim to be Christ’s one, true church remains the clear Orthodox position. This should trouble evangelicals (as well as other Protestants), especially when it is combined with the Orthodox idea of who constitutes the church and how one enters the church.
Indeed.....how he came into the Evangelical community was as questionable as what some think now of his leaving it.
However I am also seeing unfavorable changes in the Evangelical Community getting hijacked by the Emergent Church Movement, which reminds me of when the Charismatic Movement hit the church. Lots of mode setting and touchy feely preaching.
With that though... we were warned by Jesus to expect these things to happen as that day draws nearer..
.....” Just thankful this fraud is no longer associating as an Evangelical”.....
Me too...and Rick Warren is another one that needs to go...
I went to St. Nektarios once, years ago when Vlad was an infant. They were very polite.
We claim to be the ancient, original Christian Church. We don’t know about yours, other than it is not Orthodox. Our identity is not dependent on the dissection or over thinking of yours. Heaven on earth during each liturgy. Experience it.
RE: We claim to be the ancient, original Christian Church
The issue is on the words “We Claim” and “church”.
Does one have to be part of the Greek Orthodox Church to be really in “the church” of Christ? THAT is the issue.
Orthodoxy is much broader than just ‘Greek’. The question you ask is God’s business, not mine.
How on earth does that work? CRI published stuff a few years ago that systematically attacked every Catholic belief about the Virgin Mary. Now Hanegraaf has joined a church that dogmatically professes every one of those, except the Immaculate Conception. I don't get it. Mary wasn't a perpetual Virgin before, but now she is, but Hank's views haven't changed?
I think his Orthodox catechist and pastor maybe need to ask some more questions.
I think it is called acceptance. Sometimes the conversion process includes looking at religious practices in a new light, “with a contrite spirit and an open heart.” I understand the confusion of some wrt this, but then I have seen many accept the ‘new’ (to them), devotional practices that they then see can work. I vividly remember the condemnation of ‘worship of idols’ in the Church of my youth, but now see the icons as windows into heaven, and a demonstrable presence of the saints. YMMV
Sure, but I don’t think you’re claiming that your views “haven’t changed,” like Hank apparently is.
I will claim ignorance wrt Hank, since I had never heard of him before. Perhaps his concerns about ‘idolatry’ wrt Mary was an externalization of his spiritual struggle with it. Sounds like he resolved it internally. Sometimes the spiritual experience is an overcoming of the ego of the minds attempts to understand logically. I am aware of people who experienced physical healing, and cannot logically explain it, other than it has happened. Perhaps that is why it is called faith. Lord have mercy! +++
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