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To: ealgeone
Was Paul not given the same commission?

Paul was not a free agent independent of the Apostles. That is why it is important to note that the Commission was given first to the Apostles. Paul was brought to the Apostles by Barnabas following his conversion, he had hands laid on him before his missionary journeys and when issues or problems arose in his ministry, he returned to Jerusalem to consult with the Apostles and ancients, i.e. those in authority in the Church. See Acts 15.

The Church was not a horizontal construct.

Are not all Christians given the same commission? Can you not share the Gospel with the unsaved?

All Christians are called to share the Gospel but not all are called to the same ministry. Some are teachers, some are prophets.... etc, etc. See Ephesians. The ordained priesthood is one such ministry. It is a special ministry within the Church through which we receive the Holy Eucharist. Those so ordained trace their apostolic succession back to the Apostles and the Upper Room with Jesus. Only those who have had hands laid on them through the successors of the Apostles may perform this ministry.

Jesus founded a Church. He expressly uses the word "Church" as in "my Church" in his discourse with Peter (Matthew 16).

111 posted on 01/13/2017 8:12:36 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Paul was not a free agent independent of the Apostles.

He was a free agent of Christ's!

That is why it is important to note that the Commission was given first to the Apostles.

Paul was brought to the Apostles by Barnabas following his conversion, he had hands laid on him before his missionary journeys and when issues or problems arose in his ministry, he returned to Jerusalem to consult with the Apostles and ancients, i.e. those in authority in the Church. See Acts 15.

Let's revisit Acts 9.

15But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; 16for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name’s sake.” 17So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 19and he took food and was strengthened.

Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus, 20and

immediately he began to proclaim Jesus

in the synagogues, saying, “He is the Son of God.” 21All those hearing him continued to be amazed, and were saying, “Is this not he who in Jerusalem destroyed those who called on this name, and who had come here for the purpose of bringing them bound before the chief priests?” 22But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

He did not wait on getting the permission from the other Apostles. Why? He already had his marching orders from Jesus as had the Apostles....go preach...the great commission.

Jesus founded a Church. He expressly uses the word "Church" as in "my Church" in his discourse with Peter (Matthew 16).

Yes...the word is ekklesia. 577 ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and 2564 /kaléō, "to call") – properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being the Church (the mystical body of Christ) – i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom. Helps-Word Studies.

113 posted on 01/13/2017 8:26:48 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: marshmallow; EagleOne

“Only those who have had hands laid on them through the successors of the Apostles may perform this ministry.”

You speak not of one with first hand knowledge, but of hear say. As one with the spiritual gift of teaching no man imparted me with anything. It was and is a gift of The Holy Spirit of God through Jesus Christ that did all the gifting and teaching to me.

“he had hands laid on him before his missionary journeys”
Acts 9:17 Ananias wasn’t and apostle and he was the only one that laid hands on Paul before he started to preach.
Acts 9:20

Galatians 1 is a good starting point, but specifically Gal 1:11-12.
Then Galatians 2 will explain that Paul had already been preaching when he went to Jerusalem to meet the other apostles.
Quit reading the ccc and start reading your bible your knowledge or lack there of is showing.


118 posted on 01/13/2017 11:33:24 PM PST by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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