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Now the pope*’s calling traditional priests effeminate? (* FALSE pope)
LIFE SITE NEWS ^ | Dec 13, A.D. 2016 | Jan Bentz

Posted on 12/16/2016 3:35:48 AM PST by Repent and Believe

By now, Catholics are used to it: Pope Francis speaks plainly, openly, and sometimes … yes, indeed, rudely. But then there are times when you just ask yourself: What is he trying to achieve?

The Jesuit on the Chair of Peter regularly keeps journalists on their toes when he steps onto an airplane, for they – anybody for that matter – wait in suspense for whatever is going to come out of the Pope’s mouth during the in-flight press conferences. Because the words of Pope Francis are often thoughtless and rash at best, or abrasive and rude at worst, he leaves it to others to clean up the media mess afterward. At the same time, secular media imbue him with a sacrosanct infallibility so that phrases like “Who am I to judge?” or the Church is a “field hospital” become slogans of the liberal press mill are repeated ad nauseam readily applying the principle: “Sixty-two thousand four hundred repetitions make one truth,” from Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World.

But what does the Pope achieve with some of his stories? This question came again to mind while listening to the daily homily at the Domus Sanctae Martae on Friday, December 9.

In the homily, Pope Francis tells a story repeating the words “rigid” and “worldly” from his Little Book of Insults.

The story goes like this:

About rigidity and worldliness, it was some time ago that an elderly monsignor of the curia came to me, who works, a normal man, a good man, in love with Jesus – and he told me that he had gone to buy a couple of shirts at Euroclero [the clerical clothing store] and saw a young fellow — he thinks he had not more than 25 years, or a young priest or about to become a priest — before the mirror, with a cape, large, wide, velvet, with a silver chain. He then took the Saturno [wide-brimmed clerical headgear], he put it on and looked himself over. A rigid and worldly one. And that priest – he is wise, that monsignor, very wise — was able to overcome the pain, with a line of healthy humor and added: ‘And it is said that the Church does not allow women priests!’ Thus, does the work that the priest does when he becomes a functionary ends in the ridiculous, always.

Outrage! A young priest – under 25 – with a cape and a hat in a shop for clerical dress.

Who are the two people in question: One is an old, working, normal man who loves Jesus and speaks to the Pope; the other is a young, maybe newly ordained, rigid, worldly priest on a shopping trip. The enemy or Feindbild (“image of the enemy”) is clear: an effeminate young man, probably handsome, busy with worldly affairs like a dandy from an Oscar Wilde novel. Undoubtedly, he must have come into Rome for a shopping trip as a break and indulges in an aesthetic pleasure that only the dolce vita of Rome has to offer. He is rich (velvet!), careless, mundane, superficial, lazy, and vain …

On the other hand, we have the old monsignor. Seemingly he has stable work in Rome, he is old, good, pious, and wise. He checks in with the Pope out of allegiance and obedience and has just a “normal” conversation with the Successor of Peter, talking about his last visit to the prison and how to include refugees into his parish.

Is that really what we are dealing with in the Church – and more importantly in her relation to the in the world – today?

Reality looks very different: young priests who chose to wear traditional dress (which is what the story suggests) do so as a battle uniform. That is right: they are at war. They are at war with a society that hates anything traditional, anything old for that matter – the old is the enemy. They are at war with their secular friends who ridicule them for wearing that “priestly dress.” They are at war with liberal Catholics who want to make the Church serve the world – a true worldliness – in her morality, her structure, and her teaching. They are at war with a fashion industry which chooses either immorality or decadence, mostly both, as a principle for fashion today. They are at war with the flocks of priests who wear jeans and shirts. Why do they to choose to be at war? Because Christ was at war. He was at war with enemies of the good, the true, and the beautiful. Had Christ not owned a cape so precious that even well-paid Roman soldiers did not want to cut it in half?

On the other hand, now some old priests choose to wear jeans and T-shirt? To give the world a good example? To become like the world? No. To escape that ridicule that the world prepares for those who dare to stick out. Will they be approached on the street by carefree faithful asking for a blessing of rosaries or even to hear confession? Doubtful. Yet this is an experience countless seminarians and priests share in Rome.

What makes that old monsignor good? Is he good because he works? Works as what? Is the work of the young priest or religious less valuable because he is young? The monsignor is a “normal” man? What is that? Normal according to the standards of modern society? Modern as in entrenched in mindless modern ideology? Does he defend gender theory? Does he defend false feminism? Does he succumb to the “tyranny of relativism” that has befallen our Western world? Is this story by a Curia-Clerk who provides counsel to Cardinals and bishops making decisions that will impacts thousands or millions of lives all over the globe truly fueled by “healthy humor”? Is the monsignor’s way the only possible way of life in the Church? Is she that narrow?

And honestly, in the worst-case scenario – if all that the monsignor thought about the young priest were true – can the monsignor not “cut him some slack”? If he truly had wisdom, he would know that the young priest will suffer for what he wears anyway and that will be his “cross.”

Contrary to the monsignor’s opinion, the Church of Tradition is attractive. Why is that? Because she is the stumbling block that the Gospel mentions (Cf. 1 Cor 8) the unmoved rock on which the waves of the Zeitgeist break in vain. Thousands of young men are attracted to more “traditional” ways of doing things, of a clear priestly identity, of a priestly vocation that expresses itself in outwardly visible signs, in a referent liturgy without abuses, and in a Church that is the Rock – because she knows that she will win over the world. The Latin Mass is crowded with young families and many children. Children who will be educated in the faith too.

They are attracted because they want to give God all and the best. As St. Francis of Assisi said: “The chalices, corporals, appointments of the altar, and everything that pertains to the sacrifice must be of precious material. And if the most holy Body of the Lord is very poorly reserved in any place, it should be placed in a precious location.” He knew how to give God the best and greatest and most precious things that man has to offer. Ad maiorem Dei gloriam is even the resounding motto of the Jesuit Order.

At the same time, how often do we overhear people (believers and unbelievers alike) look around Vatican museums and ask snidely, “Why the Church does not sell all of this and give the money to the poor?” In an ironic way, Oscar Wilde’s words receive new relevance: “The people today know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”

The young man’s clothing is chosen for its beauty. And is beauty not in itself a way to God? How often and how intensely has Hans Urs von Balthasar emphasized that the via pulchritudinis, the way of beauty, has primacy as a way to God – especially for the simple people and not for the rich! Do beautiful images and materials not also help our prayer life? Also, does Pope Francis ever make fun of the Eastern Catholic priest who wears a headdress and much larger cassocks than in the West?

But ultimately one question stands out most: Pope Francis has repeatedly condemned the “terrorism of words,” the “divisive act,” and that which is “destroying the Church from within”… what is that you say? Gossip. Why does Pope Francis include the gossip of an old disillusioned, complacent, fixated, and – to use Pope Francis’s own term -- rigid old man in his homily as a teaching of truth for the Church?

As for the monsignor, if he cannot distinguish between a cultured and well-manned exterior from an effeminate fixation, then that may well tell volumes …

Yet another question arises in the heart of many Catholics: Why would our Father do this? Is this a paternal correction that we need? Have we children been that naughty? And what will happen when the world attacks us? Will we find sanctuary and support in him?


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; francis; pope; sedavacant
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To: Repent and Believe

“Was wearing a fine piece of clothing by comparing it to cheap wine?” 

Nope, but the whole tunic was worth more in trade than if the soldiers split it up. As for the garment being a fine item of clothing... perhaps because of the blood spilled upon it during and after the whipping and beating Jesus received at the hands of the Roman soldiers the bloodied garments became precious but to the soldiers it was barter.

Every item of those crucified was collected by the attending soldiers, lots were cast and the items were then either traded in bulk or individually. Wine was often a medium of exchange out in the frontiers of the empire and the Roman foot soldiers were renowned drunkards and louts. Flavious at el, bears historical context to the demeaning and cruel realities of crucifixion.


21 posted on 12/16/2016 11:14:59 AM PST by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancake, just as every culture has its egg roll.)
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To: Repent and Believe
(When is the last time you’ve heard the word “pius” even spoken or written?)

Never unless as a name. The word is 'pious'.

22 posted on 12/16/2016 11:42:27 AM PST by xone
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To: xone; LydiaLong

(When is the last time you’ve heard the word “pius” even spoken or written?)

Never unless as a name. The word is ‘pious’.

I stand corrected - “pious” was the intended word.

Thank you.


23 posted on 12/16/2016 12:00:25 PM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: Repent and Believe
Thank you.

No need, it is Christmas. Merry Christmas!

24 posted on 12/16/2016 12:02:46 PM PST by xone
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To: Repent and Believe

... “disputing the idea that Jesus Christ our Lord was wearing a fine piece of clothing?”


Here are two accounts of this:

“Then Jesus went out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple cloak . . . (John 19:5)”

This was to see Pontius Pilot and was mocked as being King of the Jews.

And in Matthew...

“When they were done mocking Him, they took the cloak off Him; and they put His own garments on Him and led Him away to crucify Him.” (Matthew 27:31)


25 posted on 12/16/2016 1:10:28 PM PST by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancake, just as every culture has its egg roll.)
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To: Clutch Martin; jobim

Earier you had offered:

“...In an attempt at keeping contextually accurate, by rending the cloth the soldiers knew that the value would be appreciably less, which meant that the amount of cheap rude wine procured would be less as well.”

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A good reliable commentary from Haydock (A.D. 1859) on that portion of Saint John’s Gospel chapter 19 follows (It addresses the heresy of recent, as in Vatican II, false popes, as they wrongly have embraced heretics):

easy to read link or as pasted below:
http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id112.html

Ver. 23. They made four parts. Christ’s upper garment had seams, which the four executioners could easily divide; but his under garment, or vest, was without seam, so that being cut, it would have been of no use. (Witham) -— This coat without seam is a figure of the unity of the Church. (St. Cyprian, de unit. Eccles.) -— The Rev. Fred. Nolan, of Woodford, in Essex, in his late work, entitled, Objections of a Churchman to uniting with the Bible Society, after quoting 2 Peter iii. 15, 16, says: “That the Bible may, therefore, prove the remote, but innocent cause of harm, is not, I apprehend, to be disputed, if we are to admit of its own authority:” p. 23, and again, p. 24, “that the present mode of circulating the Scriptures must prove a most effectual specific for multiplying sects and schisms; and consequently, for increasing, to an infinite degree, the greatest evil, under which Christianity has suffered, from the time of its promulgation, down to the memorable epoch of this happy invention, for the establishment of Christian faith, and the extension of Christian unanimity.” P. 62., in the same work, “That the Bible is the foundation of our religion, is new doctrine, unless in the divinity of the conventicle. We are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone. (Ephesians ii. 20.) On this foundation others still build, who are labourers together with God; (1 Corinthians xi. 9. 10.) of which divine co-operation the successors of the apostles have an express promise, to the end of the world. (Matthew xxviii. 20.) And by persons thus authorized (John xx. 21.) apostolical tradition has been delivered down to the present day, p. 63. The one body, of which our Lord was resolved his Church should consist, was to have one faith, (Ephesians iv. 4, 5.) it was to contain no schism, (1 Corinthians xii. 25.) but the present confederacy is formed on the principle of combining every sect and party, and this, while we have received an express prohibition against associating with those, who reject apostolical traditions, committed to the Church.” (2 Thessalonians iii. 6. 14.) In a foot-note on the above, the learned divine very appositely cites St. Ignatius, in which quotation we find these emphatic words: Me planasthe adelphoi mou, ei tis schizonti akolouthei, Basileian theou ou Kleronomei. Be not deceived, my brethren, not only acknowledged schismatics, but whoever shall join with a schismatic, shall not inherit the kingdom of God. The same apostolic Father, in another part, adds: he who corrupts the faith of God, for which Christ suffered, shall go into unquenchable fire: eis to pur to asbeston choresei. St. Alexander, in the fourth century, says of the Arians: that seamless garment, which the murderers of Jesus Christ would not divide, these men have dared to rip asunder. Tou arrekton chitona schisai eiolmesan.


26 posted on 12/16/2016 1:15:38 PM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: Repent and Believe

Is it possible you were thinking of ... me? ;-)


27 posted on 12/16/2016 1:48:12 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Repent and Believe

Funny, I just posted Haydock commentary regarding a different Bible verse on another thread.


28 posted on 12/16/2016 1:49:52 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Repent and Believe

When Luther opposed the Rome’s Catholic doctrine he was labeled a hectic. What has changed? Are NOT the members of the Roman Catholic Church obligated to follow the pope’s dictates?


29 posted on 12/16/2016 1:53:57 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: piusv

“Funny, I just posted Haydock commentary regarding a different Bible verse on another thread.”

Well

Hmmm.


30 posted on 12/16/2016 1:56:55 PM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: Just mythoughts

“When Luther opposed the Rome’s Catholic doctrine he was labeled a hectic (sic). What has changed? Are NOT the members of the Roman Catholic Church obligated to follow the pope’s dictates?”

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(Obviously you meant “..Luther... was labelled a heretic.”)

The very problem in the “Second Vatican Council” (V2) is that those sitting in the council were or became apostates, leaving the faith. The council was invalid based on the attack on Catholicism that the attendees waged as the council progressed.

One prerequisite for remaining or becoming Catholic today is to reject the V2 council and its rotten fruits.

When one realizes that the man at the helm brought about the damaging council he realizes that the man could not be a true Pope, for a true Pope can do no such thing as CHANGE the doctrines of the Church.

And so it is that WE recognize the Papacy and all of the doctrines of the Church, changing NONE of them, as we refuse to recognize current presumed Popes, as they are not authentic Popes.

You can witness the doctrines of the Church just as they were held prior to the V2 when you attend a Sedevacant Mass such those offered under the bishop quoted below. (The bishop quoted below also is known to have been consecrated in the Apostolic succession, that is, his line of consecration can be followed back to the apostles.)

Luther, on the other hand severed himself from the doctrine of the Church, including the very idea of Apostolic succession and the idea of a Pope. He initiated the idea of interpreting the Bible on your own and made up all his own doctrine as he saw fit, not acknowledging the authority of the Saints, theologians and clerics of the Church.

The snippet below is helpful to explain. I think you’ll begin to see the difference:

Sedevacantism

By Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas, CMRI

Sedevacantism is the theological position of those traditional Catholics who most certainly believe in the papacy, papal infallibility and the primacy of the Roman Pontiff, and yet do not recognize Benedict XVI as a legitimate successor of Peter in the primacy. In other words, they do not recognize him as a true pope. The word sedevacantism is a compound of two Latin words which together mean “the Chair is vacant.” Despite the various arguments raised against this position — that it is based on a false expectation that the pope can do no wrong, or that it is an emotional reaction to the problems in the Church — the sedevacantist position is founded on the Catholic doctrines of the infallibility and the indefectibility of the Church and on the theological opinion of the great Doctor of the Church, St. Robert Bellarmine.

More at http://www.cmri.org/sedevac.htm


31 posted on 12/17/2016 11:33:45 AM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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