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To: piusv; stonehouse01

Are you arguing he is not a heretic or not an ‘antipope’? I would argue regardless of status he is both.

BTW, what side of Joan of Arc are you on?


90 posted on 12/11/2016 7:01:05 PM PST by reaganaut (I'm just a historian specializing in religion...)
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To: reaganaut

You must not be familiar with my posting.....I believe that Francis is both a public heretic/not Catholic, and therefore can not possibly be the visible head of the Catholic Church because someone outside the Church can not lead it nor hold an office in it.

Sede Vacante.


91 posted on 12/12/2016 2:36:03 AM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: reaganaut; piusv

“...regardless of status he is both...”

Thank you - this is the exact the point I was trying to make - Francis is a heretic and therefore a de facto anti pope- his official “status” is a separate issue that will be hashed out in history. The error he is teaching in AL is for now, a separate matter from his office of Pope that he still holds as placeholder, error or no, and therefore the papacy itself is not vacant, errors and all are included with him at present. This might change of course ....

My post #73 was written only to point out that Honorius I was Pope and was recognized to have taught error; the office does not magically cause a Pope to automatically be error free. Pope Honorius I’s error was confirmed at a Council after the fact, and I suspect that is the scenario that will play out here regarding Francis.

Blessed Advent greetings!


92 posted on 12/12/2016 3:34:23 AM PST by stonehouse01
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