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To: metmom
my point was that someone probably quoted a KJV to him, and the quote sounded “protestant”. Often you get different nuances from different translations, and of course, taking a verse out of context means you might not understand the point of the verse.

Catholics don't cherry pick quotes to throw at people to prove they are wrong, but if we did, we would counter with that quote with the place where Jesus separated the sheep and goats according to their deeds. Or the place where Jesus said just “saying” Lord Lord won't get them into the kingdom. Or pull whole paragraphs from the epistle of James.

These things are nuances: Catholics believe are saved by God's grace, but most Christian churches insist we have to cooperate with that grace.

too much of the arrogant We are saved only by faith stuff, and you get people like my step son and his mother who are self righteous and make everyone around them miserable, but hey they are saved so see no need to change.

Too much of the arrogant “we are saved by deeds” stuff and you get Hillary Clinton.

526 posted on 12/08/2016 8:53:03 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc
"... but if we did, we would counter with that quote with the place where Jesus separated the sheep and goats according to their deeds." That 'quote' is years after the body of believers left for Heaven in the Rapture, and a number so large no man could count it are in Heaven because of faith in Jesus as Savior. How can we know that? Because the Bride returns with Jesus at the end of the Tribulation and the Bible places the throne of separating sheep and goats at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ upon the Earth. THAT's why God tells us to study ...
527 posted on 12/08/2016 10:01:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: LadyDoc; metmom
my point was that someone probably quoted a KJV to him, and the quote sounded “protestant”. Often you get different nuances from different translations, and of course, taking a verse out of context means you might not understand the point of the verse.

That passage is pretty much exactly the same no matter what English translation someone uses. The Douay-Rheims says:

    For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

That IS in context and besides, there is no "nuance" needed when the Holy Spirit speaks quite plainly so that even a child can understand.

Catholics don't cherry pick quotes to throw at people to prove they are wrong, but if we did, we would counter with that quote with the place where Jesus separated the sheep and goats according to their deeds. Or the place where Jesus said just “saying” Lord Lord won't get them into the kingdom. Or pull whole paragraphs from the epistle of James.

See there, PLENTY of cherry picken'. You pull snippets out of context and you pervert the word of God by trying to make it sound contradictory. It's NOT. No one denies that there are some parts that even Peter said were "some things hard to be understood", but he also said that is was "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (II Pet.3:16).

We are saved by grace THROUGH faith and NOT because of our works, deeds, merits, acts of love, acts of "cooperation" or our own righteousness. Those who say they have faith but act as those you described show by their lives the kind of faith they have - and it isn't genuine, saving faith. THAT kind will result in a changed life and heart and can't help but be towards good and holiness. BUT, it is NEVER our own acts that save us. It is Christ's righteousness imputed to us. HIS righteousness is what saves us, not our own.

528 posted on 12/08/2016 10:47:10 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: LadyDoc; boatbums; MHGinTN
Catholics don't cherry pick quotes to throw at people to prove they are wrong, but if we did, we would counter with that quote with the place where Jesus separated the sheep and goats according to their deeds. Or the place where Jesus said just “saying” Lord Lord won't get them into the kingdom. Or pull whole paragraphs from the epistle of James.

When that happens, let us know so we can see it.

I would LOVE to see whole passages support a Catholic position instead of isolated verses cherry picked from different books.

529 posted on 12/09/2016 3:50:10 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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