Posted on 11/20/2016 10:43:00 AM PST by NRx
Not true. I guess all the Apostles and the earliest Christians who NEVER referred to Mary as the "Mother of God" must be heretics, too? Can you produce even ONE reliable source that proves Mary was given the title or addressed that way by the Apostles or their direct disciples? The Apostle John even took care of her after the crucifixion and he never said a word about her being addressed this way nor did he direct others to in his epistles. If, as you claim, it is a matter of grave heresy to NOT call Mary the Mother of God, then they sure dropped the ball on that one! I guess next you'll be calling everyone a heretic who rejects Mary's "perpetual" virginity, her "immaculate conception" or her bodily assumption?
Please also note NO ONE DENIED that Mary is the one who gave birth to Jesus Christ who IS the Son of God/Almighty God incarnate (in the flesh). Refusing to address her in the way you do is hardly the same thing. You have your OPINION, that's all. You also avoided addressing your OWN logic problem when you have to use additional words to clarify your terms. Don't think that is forgotten.
You will note that I said “denied.” That is not at all the same as never having used the title.
This is the problem with roman catholicism's worship of Mary.
You've now made it a requirement to believe this or it's heresy. This is a man made requirement and is not supported by Scripture.
This is not required of Christians and has nothing, repeat nothing, to do with salvation.
Contrary to roman catholic teaching we only have one Redeemer and one Mediator....Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Mary is not our co-redemtrix nor is she our mediatrix. Apart from being the mother of Jesus she has nothing to do with our salvation in spite of what the Catholic wants.
She did not suffer for our sins nor die for our sins.
She did not overcome the grave.
It is in Christ and Christ alone that we have salvation and to claim otherwise is the heresy.
I’m not going to waste time responding to your surreal, Looney Tunes version of Catholicism.
Any time you write about ACTUAL Catholicism, I may respond.
This is exactly what you said:
"Anyone who says that Mary is not the mother of God has to deny that Jesus is God.
I wonder if you can comprehend that someone can believe that Jesus IS God in the flesh, that He IS the Son of God who existed for all eternity yet refuse to refer to Mary as the "Mother of God"? If you are going to make acceptance of that title a matter of salvific doctrine and call everyone who disagrees with you a heretic, then you really ought to show a solid Scriptural basis for it. And the teaching that Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ who is the Son of God in the flesh is NOT the same thing.
Resorting to ridicule is not proof so you have essentially thrown in the towel on this argument. A real apologist knows when to agree to disagree and stop digging. Saying your religion declares it so and it is so doesn’t cut it - at least not here.
Yet your link has nothing to do with this statement by you.
However, in context we have this fro 1 Tim 2:3-6
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
Instead of the ccc perhaps you should stick with the texts.
They must not emphasize that part too much in Catholicism.
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