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Beneath Her Compassion
Glory to God for All Things ^ | 11-19-2016 | Fr. Stephen Freeman

Posted on 11/20/2016 10:43:00 AM PST by NRx

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To: Petrosius
14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:14-17 NASB

Jesus appealed to the Scriptures when tempted by Satan.

"It is written" is used 60 times in the NT in an appeal to the OT Scriptures.

We have the example of the Bereans searching the Scriptures.

Mary's family was very well acquainted with the Scriptures as attested in Luke.

If the Bible is not the standard against truth is measured then we have to allow the Mormon the Book of Mormon and the Muslim the Koran.

121 posted on 11/21/2016 2:01:51 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I looked all through your post and I could not find the word “only.”


122 posted on 11/21/2016 2:20:06 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
We don't need the word "only". See 2 Tim 3:14-17. That's the standard. Scripture.

We have everything we need in the Bible to know how we can attain salvation and have the proper relationship with Christ.

123 posted on 11/21/2016 2:22:42 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
We have everything we need in the Bible to know how we can attain salvation and have the proper relationship with Christ.

Except the Bible itself shows that the Church, through the gathered Apostles and Presbyters, speaks with the authority of the Holy Spirit. See Acts 15. If the Bible attests that that authority existed once then it continues to exist today. Peace.

124 posted on 11/21/2016 2:43:05 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius; ealgeone
These and the other references you gave all speak of what happens after one is justified.

And there we have the caveat! Tell me, what is the difference between saying we are justified by the grace of God without any merit on our part BUT we must do good works and "cooperate" with God's grace in order to go to heaven and saying we are saved by the grace of God AND our works? The "whitewashed sepulchers" are those who outwardly profess to be righteous by their own works but have NOT received the righteousness of God by faith versus those to whom Christ's righteousness is imputed and are TRULY cleansed of all sin and their works are evidence of that inward change. Our works do not save us - and they don't KEEP us saved. That is what grace is all about!

125 posted on 11/21/2016 3:04:58 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Petrosius

Yes, the Holy Spirit continues to work through the ekklesia, the church, the body of believers. Your argument presumes apostolic succession which is not supported in the New Testamemt. God can call anyone to serve Him as He did with Paul.


126 posted on 11/21/2016 3:11:45 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I asked you whether you affirmed that Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Trinity.

You replied that you refused to “play your little game.”

That is, you DID refuse to affirm that Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Trinity.

Now you do affirm it.

Here is another yes-or-no question:

Does Jesus Christ have a mother?


127 posted on 11/21/2016 3:54:15 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: Arthur McGowan
That is, you DID refuse to affirm that Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Trinity.

Now you do affirm it.

To be specific, I said, "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God."

As I said, not gonna play your game.

I've seen you try this before on other threads.

It fails as the title, "mother of God", conveys more than the roman catholic would like it to. It conveys the meaning that God had a beginning.

Now, I've answered your questions. Time for you to answer mine that I've asked and you've yet to answer.

Are you willing to agree, based on the New Testament, there is only One Redeemer and Mediator?

128 posted on 11/21/2016 4:09:42 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

What is your evidence that the title “Mother of God” means God had a beginning?


129 posted on 11/21/2016 4:28:28 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ealgeone

I will answer your questions when you have FOR THE FIRST TIME answered one of mine:

Answer yes or no:

Is Jesus Christ God and does he have a mother?


130 posted on 11/21/2016 4:35:06 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: Arthur McGowan
I've already answered in my post 118.

Your attitude, Arthur, is why people don't like to play with you on these threads.

As noted, I've answered one of your questions and I've told you I'm not playing your game.

The ball's in your court to answer my question from post 118.

131 posted on 11/21/2016 4:48:20 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius
Catholics understand the title of "Mother of God" as only applying to the person of Jesus and not to the entire Trinity.

Right. Just like they venerate her and don't worship her.
132 posted on 11/21/2016 5:07:55 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: Petrosius
You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you.
Deuteronomy 4:2

Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar"
Proverbs 30:6.

I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers,[a] that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.
1Corinthians 4:6
133 posted on 11/21/2016 5:20:15 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: Right Brother
That statement is refuted by the picture above the article.

Catholics VENERATE Mary, as Jesus did. We WORSHIP God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

134 posted on 11/21/2016 5:37:26 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ealgeone

Mary BEGAN to be the mother of the Second Person of the Trinity, who existed from all eternity, when He took a human nature by being conceived in her womb.

The objection that Mary cannot be the mother of the Second Person of the Trinity because that would necessitate God’s having a beginning, is an idiotic objection that would have got you laughed at by any catechized eight-year-old from the First Century to this century.

Every catechized Christian child knows that in Christ there is one eternal Divine Person, and, since the moment of His conception in His mother’s womb, two natures.

Any catechized Christian child would laugh at an adult, claiming to be a Christian, who thinks that, if Christ’s human NATURE had a beginning, then His divine PERSON must have had a beginnong.

Yet, that is the ENTIRETY of the argument you have been making to me: If Christ’s human NATURE had a beginning, then his divine PERSON had a beginning.


135 posted on 11/21/2016 5:42:20 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: SuziQ

Catholics believe Mary was immaculately conceived and was without sin. Pure unbiblical heresy.


136 posted on 11/21/2016 6:16:45 PM PST by Right Brother
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To: Arthur McGowan

I see you’re not answering my question.


137 posted on 11/21/2016 7:25:55 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Right Brother
Catholics believe Mary was immaculately conceived and was without sin. Pure unbiblical heresy.

And remained a virgin.
138 posted on 11/21/2016 8:35:39 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: Arthur McGowan; ealgeone
Mary BEGAN to be the mother of the Second Person of the Trinity, who existed from all eternity, when He took a human nature by being conceived in her womb.

Which is why the title "Mother of God" is not Scriptural. You even tacitly admit that when you explain who Mary is. You call her "Mary the Mother of Jesus, the Son of God" or "Mary the Mother of the Second Person of the Trinity". You use these words to clarify that you aren't implying Mary is THE mother of the Trinity. Why isn't Scripture sufficient to call her what the Holy Spirit inspired the writers to call her, "Mary, the mother of Jesus"?

Also, your gamesmanship over demanding Ealgeone answer your question EVERY TIME YOU ASK IT, in the way you expect it to be answered, is exposed for what it really is....a game.

139 posted on 11/21/2016 8:37:12 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ealgeone

I’m not answering your question because it is not about the motherhood of Mary.


140 posted on 11/21/2016 9:53:56 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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