Posted on 11/09/2016 11:21:37 AM PST by ebb tide
In 2016, most of the polls were wrong, period. And polls predicting that Hillary Clinton would run away with the Catholic vote proved more wishful than accurate.
In the run-up to the election, only the IBD-TIPP poll consistently pointed to a Trump win among Catholics, as CRUX noted last week. Almost all the others suggested a significant margin of victory for Clinton. Now that the voting is over, however, preliminary results indicate Trump decisively won a majority of those self-identifying as Catholics, by 52 to 45 percent.
By contrast, President Barack Obama won Catholics narrowly, by a margin of 50 to 48 percent, in 2012.
Evangelicals flocked to Trump in far more overwhelming numbers, by a massive 81 to 16 percent.
Trump also outperformed expectations - and the 2012 precedent - among Hispanic and African American voters, while Clinton under-performed with both groups. In fact, with Hispanics, Trump bested Romneys 2012 performance by two points, while Clinton dropped six points compared to Obamas 2012 showing.
Both candidates had high negatives, and Clintons email scandal which plagued her campaign for months, and then again late in October, no doubt contributed to Trumps victory. So did anxieties over a stagnant economy, racial animus, and the increasing costs and problems with Obamacare. But out of sight of most media reports, religious concerns also seem to have played an important role in Trumps win. Whether religious voters were embracing Trump or blocking Clinton, there seems to be a clear political message in the result, which is that people of faith cannot be ignored, disparaged or taken for granted.
Coming on the heels of an administration known for court battles with faith-based businesses, the U.S. bishops and other religious leaders over policies such as the HHS contraception mandate, which includes sterilization procedures and drugs critics regard as abortion-inducing, revelations seen as indicative of team Clintons hostility to aspects of evangelical Protestantism and the Catholic faith certainly didnt help. Nor did a Catholic on the bottom half of her ticket who took public policy positions at odds with the teaching of his Church on issues including abortion, the death penalty and marriage. Nor, of course, did leaked emails from her campaign manager discussing using political operatives to change Catholic doctrine from within the Church.
As it turns out, some of Clintons harshest critics were African-American church leaders, who saw these emails about Catholics as a direct threat to their beliefs and way of life. Many African-American pastors signed An Open Letter to Hillary Clinton Regarding Religious Freedom for Black America last month, citing the emails and other positions and statements of the candidate.
Clintons support among the African-American community slipped by about 5 points compared to Obamas, while Trump picked up a percentage point compared to Romneys 2012 performance.
Those concerns were consistent with those of other religious voters worried over Clintons comments last year that religious beliefs on issues like abortion had to change.
In fact, Clintons abortion positions, favoring few restrictions and with major loopholes, are at odds not only with deeply religious Americans but roughly 8 in 10 overall, who favor substantial abortion restrictions according to nearly a decade of Marist polls commissioned by Cruxs partner, the Knights of Columbus.
Likewise, Clintons support for repealing the Hyde Amendment isnt shared by almost two in three Americans, with religious voters especially likely to object.
Much of the election result was doubtless driven by economic angst, and concern over the drip, drip, drip of damaging emails released by Wikileaks, the FBI and the State Department.
Yet the Clinton campaigns perceived hostility to religious belief, and what many Americans saw as its increasingly extreme stands on issues such as abortion, certainly didnt help. With the makeup of the Supreme Court on the line, believers felt they had much to fear from Clinton appointments.
In the days ahead, more complete data sets will shed additional light, and the comparisons between church-goers and those who dont attend church will be particularly telling. Until then, its safe to say that once again, rumors of the demise of religion as a voting issue have been greatly exaggerated.
Yeah, and the picture is very well done.
I noticed no arrogance of any sort during Trump's acceptance speech last night. He just seemed like a man ready to get to work.
*** I’m sure the Podesta emails implying their desire to meddle in the Catholic church’s business - the “Catholic Spring” as they called it - didn’t help Hitlery. ***
The spirit cooking demonic Moloch stuff was the “awoke” moment for many people, no matter their faith or lack there of.
Same here. He seemed quite humble in fact.
I’m not satisfied with the Irish “catholics” in the Northeast.
The top most five Catholic states are: Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Connecticut and New York. They all went for the baby killer.
The top most five Catholic states are: Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Connecticut and New York. They all went for the baby killer.
For some reason these big city urban Irish Catholics simply cannot bring themselves to vote for a Republican. They are dyed-in-the-wool Dems from the moment they arrived in the country. Boss Tweed is the quintessential example of this--though so were white Southerners for over a hundred years.
Urban Irish Catholic Democrats are also the people who make a lot of noise about "life" while supporting the Communist, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual Sinn Fein and Irish Republican Army. They're basically a Sinn Fein/IRA front.
The Know-Nothings are often invoked as the cause of this political addiction. But actually, Know-Nothing anti-Catholicism (and the old American anti-Catholicism) was not Fundamentalist Protestant at all. It was actually based on the anti-religious "enlightenment" (of which our country was largely a product, as much as that may hurt to admit). Anti-Catholics didn't oppose the Church because it was "the whore of Babylon" or "the beast" but because it was reactionary, medieval, unenlightened, and allegedly plotting to overturn the republican experiment and institute a reactionary Catholic "theocracy." This is the common thread of anti-Catholicism from the early federal period until as recently as the election of 1960. Some Protestant FReepers are still more afraid of a non-existent Catholic "theocracy" than they are the Left.
The American Republican Party (later the Native American Party and still later the American Party) was taken over and run by a secret society called the Order of the Star-Spangled Banner. This secret society could more accurately described as a Leftist anti-clerical order (perhaps with ties to radical European anti-clerical organizations) than as a work of Fundamentalist Protestants.
We know that during the '20s the Leftist, Masonic, anti-Catholic government of Mexico received actual material assistance from the allegedly Right wing, "chrstian" Ku-Klux Klan. For some reason no one ever seems to point these things out.
I know. It’s tough for those of us who live in blue states.
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