Posted on 11/05/2016 3:50:50 PM PDT by ebb tide
Any mention of “Methodist”. Adam Hamilton or Jim Wallis?
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Uh...no. The Spirit moved men to write the Scriptures.
There was no roman catholic church involved.
No, honestly, I don’t know why you’re suggesting this and I have no idea what you mean by the playground.
You just seem to be making a dopey characterization of Unam Sanctam and then laughing at your own dopeyness as if it were embedded in the document itself.
The playground reference means to put up or hush up.
No, the Catholic church did not *write* the Scripture.
The entirely of the OT was in existence long before the Catholic church came into existence.
And God tells us that men moved along by the Holy Spirit wrote Scripture.
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
The Catechism written almost 2,000 years after Scripture was penned?
Same church?
Not by a long shot.
Prove that the catechism is on the same level as God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Scripture.
All of them are between 70 and 78.
Ooh ok so the Spirit inspired Matthew Mark Luke and John and Paul and Peter and James to write. Good. Then did He also inspire all the Churches around the world to accept these writings? Like say you were in Smyrna, and in comes a messenger from Rome holding an Epistle from, say, Peter. How do you know it's real? How do you accept that it's inspired? Is that the Holy Ghost as well?
EXACT. SAME. CHURCH. Same sacraments, same hierarchy, same beliefs.
Prove that the catechism is on the same level as God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Scripture.
You seem stuck in this paradigm of assuming the book came first, and everything else after it. Absolutely not. The CHURCH is the pillar and ground of the truth....both the Scriptures and the Catechism flow from the Spirit working in the Church. The SAME Church now as it was then.
It's not unlike the roman catholic to underestimate the role of the Holy Spirit.
Then you can show us where we are to pray to Mary or where idols of Mary are given the ok.
Perhaps you can show us the "offices" of the papacy, cardinal, archbishop, etc.
Perhaps you can show us nuns.
Penance?
Authority centralized in Rome?
We can keep playing.
btw...still waiting on your explanation of what boniface wrote.
What I *do* know though is that we DO NOT have to believe something just because the Pope said it. When the Council Fathers of Vatican I formulated the dogma of infallibility, they had right in front of them the Acts of the Sixth Ecumenical Council where Pope Honorius....POPE Honorius....was anathematized for playing cute with Sergius and the Monothelite heresy. And of course the passage in Galatians of Paul upbraiding Peter is famous.
Papal authority has definite limits, and if the Pope says the Cubs didn't win or that the sky isn't blue, no one has to believe him. So that was not meant by Unam Sanctam. And did the Papal States spread to the boundaries of the known world in 1302? No. So I can't see Unam Sanctam as meaning that every person has to be a *political* subject of the Pope. And if the Pope says there are eight sacraments or Christ is not God then he's a heretic and no one has to believe him there either.
The Pope's got one job--to protect the faith we've already been given by Christ through Peter and the Apostles. Insofar as he is doing that job, you better darn well believe every human being is subject to him because he holds Peter's office. If he's not, well, then, you get situations like Paul opposing him to the face.
I didn't think you understood it. Suggest you read up on the history and background of what boniface said.
He was claiming authority over everything.
I don't underestimate Him at all ealgeone, I just think too many Christians are running around claiming the Spirit and are really just full of baloney. Because the Spirit doesn't teach opposing doctrine to different people.
The Holy Spirit that inspired the Gospels also *accepted* the Gospels as authentic in the worldwide (catholic) Church, compiled them into a single body, preserved them intact throughout the ages, preserves doctrinal unity, and continues to shepherd the Church today.
The dogmatic statements on Mary cannot be supported by Scripture.
Penance is not supported in Scripture.
So much of roman catholicism cannot be supported by Scripture. The very ones the catholic claims they "gave" the world.
Rome/Pope
“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever YOU bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Nuns:
“[Jesus] said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.”
Penance, John 20:
“He said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU retain are retained.”
How bout some chapter and verses with those posts? It’s also common to post which translation you’re using.
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