Posted on 11/05/2016 3:50:50 PM PDT by ebb tide
Thanks to WikiLeaks, we learn that in preparation for the U.S. Papal September visit, the Vatican proactively sought input from the most radical fringe of the Democratic Left. Is this Pope Francis’ idea of his peaceful ‘dialogue and encounter?
All roads to the Francis Vatican lead back to George Soros.
The secret roadmap is provided by both the WikiLeaks’ release of John Podesta emails and DCLeaks documents from George Soros’ Open Society Foundation. These emails corroborate that Soros operatives are collaborating with top Vatican cardinals, at the behest of George Soros.
In August 2016, DCLeaks documents hacked from Soros’ Open Society, exposed the $650,000 Soros grant to PICO, a radical organization of community organizers for the express purpose to travel to the Vatican for strategy meetings in anticipation of the 2016 election.
What ever happened at the Soros-funded Vatican meeting? Not surprisingly, the outcome of the PICO 3-day Vatican meeting suddenly materialized in the WikiLeaks emails of John Podesta inbox. A detailed report on the critical PICO/Vatican trip would certainly be of critical interest to the Chairman of the Clinton Presidential Campaign, underscoring the Soros/Clinton/Vatican partnership. (Full disclosure: Soros gave $25 million to the Clinton presidential campaign and Podesta previously chaired the Soros’ Center for American Progress). And, indeed, the meeting notes disclose valuable insight and intelligence about the leftist cabal at work in the Vatican.
WikiLeaks pulls back the curtain on the radicals entrenched in the Francis papacy. The PICO Vatican meeting was not simply a brisk cursory papal meet and greet. Rather, documents reveal that Alinsky activists were invited, welcomed, and dined in intense strategy sessions with high level Vatican cardinals. The leaked emails expose the leftist political machinations behind the Francis papacy, where the Soros-funded community organizers coordinated radical messaging with high level papal cardinal confidantes.
Why would Soros underwrite this Vatican trip? It is obviously a wise investment with long term benefits.
The Podesta email cache reinforces the ongoing collaboration of Soros globalists with Francis and his papal minions. From the moment of Bergoglio’s papal elevation, George Soros identified Bergoglio as a kindred spirit, a radical globalist, with the much sought after authority and moral voice of the Catholic Church. Pope Francis shares Soros’ world view: climate change, mass migration, income inequality, globalism, and capitalism bashing.
Within weeks of the new Francis papacy, Jeffrey Sachs—a longtime member of George Soros’ brain trust, also a recipient of $50 million of Soros funds, and top UN official—was invited to and featured as the Vatican’s premiere expert on the radical climate change agenda.
As indication of his favored status, Sachs spoke at the Vatican 18 times during the first years of Francis papacy. Sachs orchestrated the UN/Vatican alliance on climate change and assured the Pope Francis seal of approval on the UN Sustainable Development Goals and Paris Climate Treaty, inaugurating the globalist agenda. Several Soros confidantes and advisors, are firmly entrenched at the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences promoting the UN/Soros environmental globalist agenda, and the anti-capitalist Occupy Wall Street protests.
The WikiLeaks Podesta emails reveal that the Vatican solicited advice from, and collaborated with leftist community organizers to advance the political platform of the Democratic party. Soros strategically funded PICO progressive activists who appear to serve as de facto advance men for the upcoming Pope’s U.S. trip, by discussing papal site visits and political messaging with key Vatican hierarchy.
With the daily cascade of WikiLeaks from John Podesta emails, the Vatican is further unmasked as a sympathizer of the American radical left. The Podesta emails expose the extremist collaborators in power and control in the Francis papacy. From 6/22/15 WikiLeaks-Recap to John Podesta about the Soros-Pico Vatican junket:
“Our team included several PICO African-American pastors deeply involved in Black Lives Matter (BLM)(Soros funds BLM $33 million in one year, ed.) including a Pastor from St. Louis who is on the Ferguson commission; Rev. Alvin Herring, our Deputy Director, who has worked closely with clergy in Baltimore; a DREAMer from Florida; a priest from California who was formerly undocumented himself; a Black Catholic Deacon who is leading our work on mass incarceration in New Orleans; and two workers from SEIU helping to lead the Fight for 15 workers”
Soros dispatched his social justice community PICO activists to the Vatican with orders to shape and frame the Pope’s message to Americans. Among the PICO activists in the Vatican delegation was Pastor Michael McBride, who was arrested in Ferguson protesting the phony trumped up mythical drumbeat of police brutality against the not so “gentle giant” Michael Brown. The discussion with the top officials at the Vatican over three days of meetings centered on the leftist agenda:
“We conveyed our view that the Pope is a World leader of historical significance; that his message of exclusion, alarm over rising inequality and concern about globalized indifference is important for the U.S. to hear and see animated during his visit; and that we intend to amplify his remarks so that we have a more profound moral dialogue about policy choices through the election cycle of 2016.”
Strikingly, the underlying purpose of the Vatican trip in the report to Clinton Campaign Chairman Podesta is that the delegation reinforced to Vatican officials the 2016 Democratic election talking points. PICO, on instructions from Soros, sought to bang the drumbeat of racial animus, discontent, inequality, and exclusion with the Vatican Curia and Francis speechwriters.
The email confirms that Pope Francis will underscore a strategy of similar themes and messages promulgated from PICO activists:
“[O]ur visit affirmed an overall strategy: Pope Francis, as a leader of global stature, will challenge the “idolatry of the marketplace” in the U.S. and offer a clarion call to change the policies that promote exclusion and indifference to those most marginalized.”
The PICO delegation provided stories of injustice and inequality to the Vatican curia. Imagine the race-baiting Ferguson protestors regaling Vatican officials with tales of rampant police brutality and the murder of Michael Brown and other innocent black men! Did the Francis Cardinals even bother to check the outcome of the trumped up Ferguson police brutality charges? Unlikely.
“In our meetings with relevant officials, we strongly recommended that the Pope emphasize – in words and deeds – the need to confront racism and racial hierarchy in the US. Conversations that were originally scheduled for thirty minutes stretched into two hour dialogues.”
Alleluia! Sounds like everyone was singing from the same Kumbaya racial discrimination hymnal. How ecumenical of the Vatican to dialogue with Black Lives Matter activists! Did the economic “idolatry of the marketplace” include the $33 million that George Soros provided to BLM protests? Doubt it.
As in our breakfast conversation with Cardinal Rodríguez, senior Vatican officials shared profound insights demonstrating an awareness of the moral, economic and political climate in America.”
Clearly, the Vice Pope (#2 at the Vatican) Cardinal Maradiaga Rodriguez promotes and shares the messaging from the community organizers of the American left. While providing input for the Pope’s upcoming U.S. visit, the Vatican and PICO delegation agreed that Pope Francis would visit a prison during his trip to the United States. Not surprisingly, during his stopover in Philadelphia, the Pope Francis visited a prison!
We were encouraged to believe that the Pope will confront race through a moral frame. We were told that the Pope will visit a prison while here – demonstrating his concern about incarceration.”
The Soros marching orders for the PICO delegation was to hatch, implement, and coordinate Pope Francis’ strategic themes and events during his U.S. visit in September 2015. The Vatican agreed to position the Pope’s message in alignment with the Soros funded Alinskyites’ radical agenda. As any political operative knows, race baiting ensures that the African-American voting bloc is energized to vote Democratic. WikiLeaks unmasks the Francis Church where community organizers are consulted as advance men for the U.S. papal visit providing Francis with speech themes from the radical left.
The WikiLeaks Podesta email continues:
“This is why we gathered at the Vatican in mid-June, at the encouragement of Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, often referred to as the "Vice Pope" and a strong supporter of PICO, who had urged us to share our stories, our perspective, and our hopes for the impact of Pope Francis' visit to the United States, with Vatican officials.”
So, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learn that in preparation for the U.S. Papal September visit, the Vatican proactively seeks input from the most radical fringe of the Democratic Left, which fomented violence and anarchy in the streets over a faux police brutality charge and racial killing charge in Ferguson. Is this Pope Francis’ idea of his peaceful ‘dialogue and encounter?
The PICO/Vatican Radical Alliance Continues in Bolivia turksonCardinal Turkson with PICO delegation at World Movements in Bolivia
The Podesta email discussed that PICO and the Vatican would agree to keep dialoguing about social justice issues at the July 2015 World Meeting of Movements in Bolivia where Pope Francis would speak to global political activists. The PICO delegation received a personal invite from the Vatican to attend the World Meeting of Movements. PICO did attend the Bolivian meeting, along with their Vatican comrades, Cardinals Turkson and Maradiaga and Pope Francis.
The PICO Bolivia trip to the World Meeting of Movements even afforded the PICO delegation the opportunity to share the podium with the Pope, as Francis focused on the obtuse beatitude of “environmental dignity.” Social justi ce activists, like PICO, can quickly adapt and pivot from police brutality and racial inequality to echo Francis concerns about “the impact of climate change on thousands of families.”
While in Bolivia at the World Meeting of Movements, Pope Francis received a revolving gift from Bolivian President Evo Morales, the radical socialist activist. Morales gave the Pope a crucifix swathed with a blasphemous communist hammer and sickle. Catholics were scandalized and horrified over this profanation and politicization of the most precious symbol of Catholicism. Apparently, the Vatican took no offense at the gift because President Morales was invited to the Vatican to share the podium with another socialist, Bernie Sanders in April 2016.
Welcome to Francis Church where Jesuitical political action replaced the mundane and tedious teaching of the salvation of souls. The faded and threadbare Bernardin seamless garment of social justice is resurrected from mothballs by the troubling alliance of the Soros global network and the Francis Church. It’s time to guard your faith and your wallet.
Is there salvation outside the Catholic church?
So when God promises that if we confess our sins that HE is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness that He gave a human being the power to override Himself?
If God promises to forgive ALL our sin, then how can man retain it? Or why would Jesus tell men that they had the power to retain someone's sin?
Also, in that passage, confession is NOT mentioned. It does NOT say that if someone comes to them and confesses that they have the power to retain those sins.
Stephen, when he was being stoned, forgave the men who were killing him. A very good example of using what Jesus was referring to.
Because it is a sloppy disorganized mess?
Besides, when we non-Catholics ask questions regarding doctrine, we are usually, indeed frequently, directed to the Catechism of the Catholic church, produced by Vatican 2.
So some say it defines doctrine and some say it doesn't.
Who do we believe and why?
And please, make it cited official church teaching, not your own personal interpretation of church policy.
Peter was married.
Celibacy is NOT required anywhere in Scripture for leadership positions within the church.
On the contrary, being married WAS a requirement for those who wished to be in leadership positions.
Titus 1:5-9 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.
On the contrary, forbidding of marriage is a sign of falling away from faith, of wolves in sheep's clothing.
1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
They were Jewish, except for maybe Luke.
They are only claimed to be Catholic retroactively so the Catholic church could lay claim to them and claim ownership of them and Scripture.
Is that official church teaching or your own personal interpretation of it?
Also, please show us from the Scripture that Catholics love to claim that their church gave the world, where God anywhere at any time gives the church authority over governments or nations or gives it political power of any kind or any form.
It is NOT voluntary.
If a man wants to be a priest, he must take that vow.
If he doesn't then he is not permitted to become a priest.
Likewise, if a man who is a priest wants to marry, then he must leave the priesthood.
Well, it’s much older than that now and they are still not commenting.
Or will they call for reform from within and become modern day reformers?
Last time someone tried that, it did not end well for the people who did that.
That was a good story 700 years ago but that record has long since played itself out. The Church has been in self-denial ever since.
It wasn’t even good then.
Look at the Inquisition.
We are called to preach the word and make disciples, and NOT by the power of the sword or through coercion.
God wants our hearts FREELY given, not under compulsion as Catholicism demands.
For a church that claims it believes in free will, it isn’t much for giving people their own choice.
This should be the standard question asked of any catholic on these boards. They should only be able to provide answers using official church publications. No opinions or spin allowed.
This line is getting old. NewChurch hasn't taught the salvation of souls since Vatican II with its new Religion of Ecumenism. This is not just a Francis issue.
To the poster who asked where the Catholics are: you do need to give folks a chance to wake up in the morning and see the posts (I, for one, shut down my computer around 7 or so). However, like you, there are a few Catholic posters I am interested in seeing respond to this thread. They have not done so yet.
To a few of the protestant posters, you have good questions and the fact that they are not easily answered hits on the heart of the Crisis of which we Catholics are currently trying to make sense.
A majority of Catholics will vote as they are told to vote.` Soros knows they do as they are told so he manipulates the leadership. A key point is that Soros likely does not even believe in God, yet he can so easily -with enough money- manipulate those who profess to believe in God because they are followers of an institution, not the Holy Spirit.
Um, you stated, “All humans must obey the unchangeable teachings of the Catholic Church to attain eternal salvation.” A more blatant example of ungodly dictate one could not find. It is absolutely contrary to what JESUS taught, giving us yet another example of why catholiciism is not Christianity, not even close. So long as you trust in your institution to ‘strive you along to salvation’ you remain a dead soul.
What utter catholic hubris! So your religion is the author of The Scriptures? STOP conflating your religion’s institution with the Ekklesia of Jesus The Christ ... then perhaps you will see the hubris dripping from your own words!
So it pertains to the Church to physically exterminate from her countries all she deems to be heretics, and to possibly torture suspected ones and witnesses?
You can only wish this text speaks of a Roman pope. Instead this assertion is simply begging the question as it nowhere is defined as speaking of a Roman pope. Instead, its meaning is to be found by examination of how the NT church saw Peter in Acts onward, which writings are interpretive of the gospels.
And in which we nowhere see the NT church looking to Peter as the first of a line of infallible popes supremely reigning over the church from Rome.
Instead, we that the Peter of Scripture is critically not that of Rome, which even Catholic scholarship, among others, provides testimony against.
You are free to argue otherwise, and which will afford another opportunity to expose RC sophistry, by the grace of God.
Penance, John 20: .... Whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU retain are retained.”
Another vain extrapolative attempt, for this not only says nothing about penance, which is the type of thing a person does that shows repentance, but it does not correspond to believers needing to regularly come to NT "priests" in order to obtain forgiveness, which is nowhere taught or exampled in the life of the NT church.
In fact, the only place where confession of sin to others is called for is that of to each other, to believers in general, and to whom binding and loosing power is provided if of such fervent holy faith as Elijah, who bound and loosed the heavens. And which believers have a function in obtaining forgiveness for others as instruments of reconciliation.
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:16-20)
The intercession of the presbuteros of the church can obtain deliverance from chastisement for the sick, who is not told to confess anything, and likely pertains to a sin of ignorance.
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15)
And which corresponds to Mk. 2:1-12, in which the Lord forgave one who confessed nothing, but was being chastised for sin, and which forgiveness went hand in hand with healing:
Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? (Mark 2:9)
The judicial power of binding and loosing in matters of controversy and discipline does pertain to the magisterial office, together with the church, as seen in 1Co. 5:5, and which flows from the OT magisterial office which functioned thusly. (Dt. 17:8-13)
Yet Paul stated the if the church forgave the disciplined man in the name of Christ then so also would Paul.
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; (2 Corinthians 2:10)
But regularly distinctively confessing to distinctively titled NT "priests" simply does not exist.
With regard to those truths connected to revelation by historical necessity and which are to be held definitively, but are not able to be declared as divinely revealed, the following examples can be given: the legitimacy of the election of the Supreme Pontiff or of the celebration of an ecumenical council, the canonizations of saints (dogmatic facts)
With regard to the nature of the assent owed to the truths set forth by the Church as divinely revealed (those of the first paragraph) or to be held definitively (those of the second paragraph), it is important to emphasize that there is no difference with respect to the full and irrevocable character of the assent which is owed to these teachings. - DOCTRINAL COMMENTARY ON THE CONCLUDING FORMULA OF THE PROFESSIO FIDEI Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
So your argument is that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that such is that assuredly infallible magisterium?
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