Posted on 09/17/2016 10:22:13 AM PDT by Morgana
No, I oppose the double standard most WOMEN have...
Absolutely not.
The guy can act like a man and show some respect to the girl by NOT insisting she compromise her morals OR HE can say *No* too, is she's the one pushing for it.
She gets has the entire term of the pregnancy to decide if she wants to become a parent. He is expected to make that decision before the sex act even occurs.
Yes, and instead of showing the restraint of a male dog near a female in heat, he can decide beforehand to keep himself pure as well.
She gets to unilaterally obligate him to financial support for the child, again by law, if she decides to keep the baby while he has absolutely no legal influence on that decision.
So now you're pushing abortion?
You know what?
He IS responsible. He SHOULD pay.
Because either he initiated it and that makes him responsible, or he could have said *No* just as everyone expects the girl to, and he didn't.
The hypocrisy of the *Boys will be boys, it's OK for them to sleep around* while the girl catches all the blame and is slandered with pejoratives if SHE does, is beyond disgusting.
Funny how the girl who sleeps around is labeled as a *slut* while the guy who sleeps around isn’t.
He’s just as morally culpable.
Which is what?
Last I knew, no woman gets pregnant without the help of a male.
He bears as much responsibility, if not more, than the women.
Whatever happened to a little chivalry, where real men PROTECTED a woman's virtue instead of exploiting it?
Really? What did I write that was incorrect?
Because either he initiated it and that makes him responsible, or he could have said *No* just as everyone expects the girl to, and he didn't.
How is this different than what you condemn for women? As you said, it takes two. It is pure chauvinism for you to advocate for girls, but desire to throw boys under the bus.
I believe Jesus saw through the whole thing.
Only by other women, and guys that get fixated on her.
Did you not read my comment regarding women's unilateral power in the sexual dynamic?
Whatever happened to a little chivalry, where real men PROTECTED a woman's virtue instead of exploiting it?
Chivalry is an equation, not a right. If you do not subscribe to the tenets that demand Chivalry, you get no expectation of receiving the benefits of it. Chivalry is a cultural mechanism for defending and supporting women when they can not do so for themselves. Clearly, such is not the case in modern times. That's not to say they WILL defend and support themselves, but the responsibility for doing so is strictly the woman's.
True enough, but notice in the book of Proverbs the guy is pictured as a dumb beast being lead to the slaughter; the woman, however, knows EXACTLY what she's doing.....
You’re right. One thing I find bitterly ironic is how young men push for sex, but as they get older, wonder where the nice girls have gone.
They're the very ones responsible for where all the nice girls have gone.
And of course, there's the saying that there's the girls you date and the girls you marry. they're willing to violate the girls but don't want one of THEM for a wife.
Hypocrisy is the word for that.
Throw men under the bus?
No, that’s what happens when the guy pushes the girl for sex and then dumps her when she gets pregnant, blames her for it, and/or pushes her into an abortion.
Proverbs is about PROSTITUTION, not a girl having sex because the guy pushed her for it. Men are just as culpable as women. They have the power to say *No* as well, unless you really want to put forth the argument that when it comes to sex, they go brain dead and are at the mercy of their hormones, like some kind of unreasoning animal that can’t control itself.
Even if a prostitute solicits them, they can say *NO!*. Joseph said no to his master’s wife when she tried seducing him. It CAN be done.
No, men are also fully cognizant of what they are doing as well and are just as responsible to say no as the women. But men want sex and push an awful lot of girls for it. Almost every guy I dated did and that was back in the 70’s, and it sure happened lots before that, too.
Adam threw Eve under the bus at the very beginning and GOD still held Adam accountable for sin entering the world.
Scripture tells us the woman is the weaker vessel, more easily deceived. It's man's responsibility to care for and protect women, just as Christ does for the church.
And even knowing that some women will react badly does not absolve any man from doing the right thing anyway. And that's true in ANY relationship.
Everyone will answer to God for what they do and how they react and their responsibility is not for the other person's actions but their own reactions.
And that includes being the adult and saying *No*, both men and women, when put in a situation where someone is expecting them to compromise their integrity.
Sorry, I think more of men that relegating them to the category of unreasoning animals controlled by their hormones when confronted with an opportunity for sex.
So why didn't she just say *NO?*
Proverbs is about PROSTITUTION, not a girl having sex because the guy pushed her for it.
Not even a little. Proverbs 7 is explicitly about the adulterous woman. Prostitution is not even implied excepting for how such a woman dresses.
Furthermore, you fatuously try to equate "pushing" with very real and binding legal obligations to justify your chauvinism.
Scripture also tells us in Genesis the curse of women in the fall would be to try to wrest control from the man, even though he should rule over her.
Well, when you set up a legal system where he CAN'T rule over her, you can't complain about ANYTHING being his fault.
Women can not demand equality while also demanding to be cosseted. In short, a man can not lead a woman who refuses to follow.
Meanwhile the ones they do wife up are in fact probably fornicating with numerous men. We know how they behave in university and I am GLAD I never went after high school, despite the pressure. This is the very reason I’ve remained chaste for nearly twelve years now and didn’t go to university.
A lot of problems can be avoided by not living on campus.
Commuting can keep you disconnected from a lot of undesirable campus activities.
Not going at all has saved me a lot of misery. One thing I do know is that I have no pity for men these days. The values system is such a mess in this country. We’re not supposed to be obsessed with class, but the people you would least imagine are fixated on it. “Nice” middle class boys treat the wealthier girl with more consideration, chivalry, and respect than they do someone they deem ‘beneath’ them on the economic ladder. So when men whine about users, how women prefer more established men, they prove themselves to be the ultimate hypocrites in that area as well.
“It’s man’s responsibility to care for and protect women, just as Christ does for the church.”
Amen! That is true patriarchy, not the misunderstanding of patriarchy so common today. It was ordained in creation and re-inforced by the Fall.
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