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To: boatbums

Thanks for the additional info. When I first saw the quote, attributed to Luther, I knew there was a backstory. No one even glancingly familiar with him believes he ascribed adulterous acts to Jesus.

Then, when I read the actual origin of the comment, all I could do was shake my head. The lengths some will go to, in an attempt to smear a believer in Christ, is incredible.

Incidentally, from what I have seen, many Catholics DO believe Luther is the protestant pope. They pounce if we fail to believe every single thing Luther himself believed, as if such a position discredits everything Luther said, wrote and did, and everything connected to the Reformation.

This goes to the heart of the issue. Luther and all Catholic popes are sinful humans—as are we all. Only Christ was perfect. The Holy Spirit “breathed,” the Scriptures to those selected for the task of transmitting them. So we know the Holy Scriptures are trustworthy.

Anything beyond that is open to question. If it’s not God-breathed, then where does its authority derive from? To make any utterances of mere, fallible humans the equivalent of God-breathed Scripture is a fundamental error—and a fundamentally dangerous one. Anyone can claim divine inspiration, but the Holy Spirit doesn’t contradict Himself, nor does Jesus. Jesus in fact did described the true church, and His is the only word on the subject that matters.


75 posted on 08/15/2016 7:02:32 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
Incidentally, from what I have seen, many Catholics DO believe Luther is the protestant pope. They pounce if we fail to believe every single thing Luther himself believed, as if such a position discredits everything Luther said, wrote and did, and everything connected to the Reformation.

It's a common tactic used often by some here to divert the discussion down a rabbit hole. It also usually means they have no answer to dispute what has been said but they are too proud to admit it.

Anything beyond that is open to question. If it’s not God-breathed, then where does its authority derive from? To make any utterances of mere, fallible humans the equivalent of God-breathed Scripture is a fundamental error—and a fundamentally dangerous one. Anyone can claim divine inspiration, but the Holy Spirit doesn’t contradict Himself, nor does Jesus. Jesus in fact did described the true church, and His is the only word on the subject that matters.

Totally agree. What the Reformation tried to do is restore the Christian church BACK to the doctrines that always had Biblical warrant and get rid of those that had been added to the rule of faith over the centuries by those who would corrupt and pervert the truth of the gospel. They were truly closer to the original faith as taught by Jesus and His Apostles than what boasted itself as THE church established by Jesus. As many times as these arguments have been posted one would think that we wouldn't have to keep repeating them. But we do because some here either refuse to believe the evidence before their own eyes or they don't really want to know the truth. We keep saying it anyway and it's nice to have you join in. I don't recall seeing your screen name before. Have a blessed week!

77 posted on 08/15/2016 9:49:00 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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