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To: dartuser

Show me the OT prophecy where the church is predicted. This will tell a lot about the Biblical hermeneutic you are applying to the text.
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That is relatively easy to do if you have eyes to see or ears to hear.

First there is the first promise to Abram:
Genesis 12
1 Now the LORD had said to Abram: “Get out of your country,
From your family And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 9). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

So YHWH (that is the name translated LORD here) promises a blessing to “all the families of the earth”. That includes the “family” you call the church.

Now specifically as to the Messiah (the Elect One):

Isaiah 42
1 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,
My Elect One in whom My soul delights!
I have put My Spirit upon Him;
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.

Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 703). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

Again, more specifically:

Isaiah 42
6 “I, the LORD, have called You in righteousness,
And will hold Your hand;
I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the Gentiles,

Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 703). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

Just in case you missed it the first two times, he reiterates in
Isaiah 49
6 Indeed He says,
‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 712). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

As to the timing of the Church Age, look at
Daniel’s recording of the prophecy of the
seventy weeks of years. The first seven and sixty-two weeks
accounted for Jesus’ first coming.
Then there is a final week for completing YHWH work with Israel.

While not specified by Gabriel, the gap between the first 69 weeks and the 70th week is covered by the length of the final diaspora. The final destruction of the Temple and the final Diaspora that determine the time of the Church Age, is covered in Hosea 6:1-2. To understand this you have to remember the “one day is a thousand years” rule.

Be a Berean! Search the Scriptures! Let the Holy Spirit guide you to the Truth!


32 posted on 07/19/2016 7:50:40 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!e)
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To: SubMareener
That is relatively easy to do if you have eyes to see or ears to hear.

As I suspected ...

If its not IN the text then you are hallucinating your theology ONTO the text. And given your use of the Abraham passage ... that is exactly what you are doing. There is no mention of a NT church separate and distinct from the nation of Israel.

So YHWH (that is the name translated LORD here) promises a blessing to “all the families of the earth”. That includes the “family” you call the church.

Like I said ... you are reading what you want into the text of Scripture ... it says nothing of a NT church as a separate and distinct people of God from the Jews.

What you need to go find is an OT passage that predicts the old covenant being replaced by a new covenant whereby both Jews and Gentile are members by way of regeneration.

As far as the Daniel citation ... I agree with you 100%.

33 posted on 07/20/2016 6:38:20 AM PDT by dartuser
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