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To: BlackElk

“First, they are books of the Bible and not apocrypha. Second the present Catholic Canon of the Bible was declared by Pope Damasus who was pope from 366 to 384 AD, a tad earlier than 1546.”

So let’s go with your dates and say I’m off, but you are still agreeing that major changes happened to your current religion and that it isn’t the original tradition from your so called first pope. You can say all day long that they had the belief, but in some cases it took 1500 years to make it official and you really believe that? Yeah lets just play like church and all of a sudden oh yeah lets make it all official, I call bs.

As to your other ramblings you still couldn’t give Scriptural reference, so it still falls under Galatians 1:8 you have been fooled.

Yes we are all entitled to our beliefs per our God, but there is only one truth and that is Jesus Christ.


38 posted on 07/16/2016 9:21:38 PM PDT by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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To: mrobisr
You need to understand that we Catholics also rely on a near 2,000 year old Teaching Magisterium AS WELL AS Scripture. That your ideas as to what Scripture means differ from ours goes without saying. Otherwise the entire Christian Church would STILL be the Catholic Church.

You may call "bs" as you see fit but just as we are not impressed by Protestant "insights" on Scripture that differ from those of the Church that Jesus Christ founded and is today the oldest continuous human institution on Earth, neither are we moved by your calling "bs" on anything.

We recognize no obligation to satisfy Protestant tastes or critics by citing Scriptural passages as to what the weather may have been on the original Good Friday. If you imagine that ALL religious truth is contained in Scripture, you are probably disagreeing with Scripture itself.

It was clear from the very beginning of the Reformation that Protestants would have no popes. Some were proud of that fact and proclaimed: No Popery! Y'all really had no alternative and thus you were confined to Scripture as your ONLY source of truth. George Washington was our first POTUS. Scriptural reference? No, but true nonetheless. Luther would tack his disagreements to the cathedral door at Wittenberg and marry Sister Katy regardless of BOTH of their vows before God. Scriptural? No, but true nonetheless. Mary died or she did not die. She was conceived without original sin or with it. Scripture is silent. If she died, where was she buried and by whom?

Galatians 1:8KJV: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." This passage you are misciting as though it means someone is fooled by listening not to "any other gospel" but rather to the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church which was founded by Jesus Crist Himself and with which He promised to remain to the end of the world. BTW, those gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John came into the hands of Reformationists come lately through the Catholic Church because the authors and their gospels were ours in life and ever after. It is good that you rely to some extent on those Scriptures that we provided you.

If I agree with something, I will say so. I haven't.

Now we have reached the stage of boredom that is the usual end of these discussions between Church and Reformation. Have the last word if you like because I am not interested in prolonging this.

43 posted on 07/17/2016 4:33:19 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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