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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Our Catholic “religion” has not changed.”

But without a Catholic Hierarchy to support the laity, Catholicism is difficult (if not impossible) to practice. When the hierarchy begins to implement pastoral changes that reject 2000 years of prior Papal and Magisterial teaching, the cognitive dissonance becomes too great to avoid.

It would be different of Bergoglio and the Cardinals were merely whoring around and living immoral lives without tinkering with doctrine (and stealthily tampering with dogma), but it is just the opposite. The are Modernist Populists who are transforming the Faith through what they sand and do (and DON’T say and do).

I commend you on your attempt to remain true to the Church. I tried, but I ended up concluding that “The Body of Christ” must be greater than the RCC (perhaps even largely different), since “The Gates of Hell” have obviously prevailed against the Roman Leadership (both Pope and Magisterium).


10 posted on 07/13/2016 1:11:14 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

Did you ever look at the SSPX or FSSP?


11 posted on 07/13/2016 1:26:27 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: Bishop_Malachi
Your view of "the Gates of Hell" "prevailing" against the Roman Leadership needs to be reconsidered.

What you have here is not a failure of doctrine, but of discipline; of pastoral practice; of corrupt, confused, or cowardly churchmen. This is a failure based on human weakness and sinfulness, and has been a constant, waxing and waning, in Christ's Church since Our Lord hung on a cross.

Yes, Peter denied Him and Judas betrayed Him, and the rest of them --- with the exception of John --- ran sweating and quaking toward the tall grass. These are the picked men, the select men, for whom Jesus Himself prayed, just hours before, that they should have faith, unity, and strength. (John 17).

The Church is not defeated by the faults of men, even if those faults are grave and nearly unanimous.

I recommend the reading of Catholic history. Once the shock passes, it steadies one.

All we're promised --- and it's a limited promise, but an essential one --- is that in the midst of all the vagaries of foolish or wicked churchmen, error will not finally prevail. In the practical sense, this means that their errors will never be formally promulgated as doctrines to be accepted de fide by all the faithful.

I'd go on, but I have to go to a parish meeting in about 10 minutes. Let me leave you with this 2-minute video. It's humorous --- it may make you laugh, in an ouchy sort of way --- but it makes a valid point:

Infallibility (YouTube)

The tagline quote is from Oscar Wilde.

14 posted on 07/13/2016 1:56:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Catholic Church is for saints and sinners alone. For respectable people, Anglicanism will do.")
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