Posted on 07/06/2016 8:06:36 AM PDT by ebb tide
“But from the link you provided, and GIRM 299 and the USCCB took it even further:”
Your comment, as so often is the case, makes no sense in regard to the comment I posted. I pointed out that the New Mass was written with Ad Orientem in mind; it was assumed. The link shows ad orientem is not foreign to the New Mass. If you ever read the 1970 Missal you would know what it says. I guess you didn’t do your basic homework yet again, huh?
people talking about things as important as guessing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin,
Don’t worry about my homework, Jr.
Here’s more crap from the GIRM:
303. In building new churches, it is preferable for a single altar to be erected, one that in the gathering of the faithful will signify the one Christ and the one Eucharist of the Church.
In already existing churches, however, when the old altar is so positioned that it makes the peoples participation difficult but cannot be moved without damage to artistic value, another fixed altar, skillfully made and properly dedicated, should be erected and the sacred rites celebrated on it alone. In order that the attention of the faithful not be distracted from the new altar, the old altar should not be decorated in any special way.
“Dont worry about my homework, Jr.”
Well, someone has to since you and your parents didn’t worry about you doing yours. And, again, the GIRM is not the missal and the missal is not the GIRM. You honestly have never read these documents before have you?
Don’t worry about what I’ve read.
Show me one Novus Ordo protestant table where the tabernacle is located front and center on the that same altar where the the Body and Blood of Christ is consecrated.
You obviously don’t even read the links that you post.
“Dont worry about what Ive read.”
That comment just shows how out of your depths you are. If you’re posting from texts, then what you’ve read is exactly what is at issue. You seemingly have no understanding of logic or basic argumentation.
“Show me one Novus Ordo protestant table where the tabernacle is located front and center on the that same altar where the the Body and Blood of Christ is consecrated.”
Your comment is nonsensical - as so often is the case. Since I never made a claim that there were “one Novus Ordo protestant table where the tabernacle is located front and center on the that same altar where the the Body and Blood of Christ is consecrated” I need not show you any. Again, you seemingly have no understanding of logic or basic argumentation. I would ask you to show me where I made a claim as you now demand proof for, but it’s a waste of time since you’re guaranteed to fail (as always) since I never made any such claim.
Can’t do it, can you? The novus ordo priests do turn their backs on God and put themselves between you and Our Lord.
Doesn’t that bother a tiny part of you? How about a pope placing a cheap beachball alongside the tabernacle. The same pope who won’t genuflect before a tabernacle.
You post an article that cites the GIRM. I respond with cites from the same GIRM, yet you claim I’m out my “depths”? How juvenile.
“Cant do it, can you?”
Again, why would I have to show something I never claimed? I would rather simply spend my time showing your inability to make an argument, but you’re doing an excellent job of that already. Thanks!
“The novus ordo priests do turn their backs on God and put themselves between you and Our Lord.”
No, since God is omnipresent no one can put himself between me and Him. This is especially true granted that I, as a baptized Christian, have God dwelling in me - just as the Church teaches. Perhaps you deny that teaching or are simply ignorant of that as you seem to be of so many other Catholic things. Also, any Catholic who actually know anything about the faith (and that would leave you out apparently) many basilicas (and I mean ancient and medieval basilicas) have altars which mean no matter what Mass is said the priest will sooner or later in the Mass according to your illogic “turn their backs on God and put themselves between you and Our Lord”.
“Doesnt that bother a tiny part of you?”
Since I can think, and actually know God is omnipresent, and that basilicas’ very architectural structure mean someone was often on the “wrong” side of the altar, no, what you’re saying doesn’t bother me in the least because it doesn’t make any sense. Again, if you knew how to make an argument with some logic to it - apparently you don’t and can’t - you might be able to make a sensible point. That is, apparently, not the case at this time.
“How about a pope placing a cheap beachball alongside the tabernacle.”
I certainly wouldn’t do it, but men do wrong things all the time. You post. See? Everyone errs against God and reason.
“The same pope who wont genuflect before a tabernacle.”
It seems to be more of a can’t rather than a won’t. Even his enemies admit he has suffers from osteoporosis and arthritis. I knew a traditionalist priest who could not genuflect because of arthritis so he placed a small stool in front of the altar so he could genuflect somewhat without his knee locking. He was in his late 70s. Francis is the same age.
Go on. Post the kitchen sink since you can’t make an actual argument.
“You post an article that cites the GIRM. I respond with cites from the same GIRM, yet you claim Im out my depths? How juvenile.”
No. I told you you were out of your depths because even after I mentioned the MASS (i.e. the missal) you still haven’t read it. I also have no reason to believe you ever read any edition of the GIRM in Latin or English. You’re out of your depths. And it’s juvenile for you to accuse others of being juvenile for pointing out the truth.
Now you're just sounding just like a protestant. Sounds like you don't believe in the Real Presence, let alone transubstantiation. Can't say I'm surprised, however.
It seems to be more of a cant rather than a wont. Even his enemies admit he has suffers from osteoporosis and arthritis.
Nice try but a pathetic one.
The last photo above is Francis kneeling in a Lutheran church. Who's he paying homage to, Vlad?
And I don’t believe you attend traditional latin Masses, let alone understand the language.
I haven't read the Mass? Are you crazy?
It gets back to "preference" which has no place in the Catholic Mass. There should have never been an "option" to face the people (vs. God) in the first place. It was not required but was obviously encouraged and preferred by those in positions of authority and the liturgical history of the last 50+ years proves it out.
And there’s the kitchen sink. Thanks for proving me right yet again. You can’t help but do it anyway.
“And I dont believe you attend traditional latin Masses, let alone understand the language.”
It doesn’t matter what you believe on either one of those points. I know I do attend the 1962 Mass. I know that I understand the language of anything connected with the Catholic faith far better than you do if your posts are any indication of your ability. And they are.
“I haven’t read the Mass?”
No. “(i.e. the missal)” Learn to read. Reading is fundamental.
“Are you crazy?”
Nope. I read the missal of 1970. You have not. Admit it. You’ve never read the rubrics of the 1970 missal.
“It gets back to “preference” which has no place in the Catholic Mass.”
Do you prefer the Missa Cantata or the Low Mass?
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