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To: Ultra Sonic 007
When it says that all Scripture is profitable for teaching, does that exclude all other sources of wisdom? Does that mean the oral tradition of the Apostles is to be discounted?

Please show us documentation of the oral teachings of the apostles that was not written down in Scripture.

Demonstrate that the teaching was indeed from the apostles and not added later by someone else who claimed it was from the apostles, and that it was passed down faithfully, without corruption, for 2,000 years.

Peter is NOT the rock on which Christ is building His church.

*Petra* is JESUS, NOT Peter, and that is according to both Paul and Peter.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock (petra) that followed them, and the Rock (petra) was Christ.

http://biblehub.com/text/romans/9-33.htm

Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

http://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/2-8.htm

1 Peter 2:1-8 So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.

As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,

“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”

and

“A stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense.

They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

All occurrences of *petra* in the Greek.

http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4073.htm

652 posted on 06/17/2016 4:32:43 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Sorry, I know I said I would be retiring from the thread, but I have to reply to this one little bit.

Jesus didn’t speak Greek, but Aramaic. Matthew 16:18 would thus go as follows: “Thou art Kepha, and upon this Kepha I will build my Church.”

So why does the Greek render the first Kepha as Petros and the second as petra, instead of using the same word for both?

Because petra is of the feminine gender, and you wouldn’t give a feminine name to a man; hence, the masculine gender of the term petra was used for Peter’s name.

Have a blessed day!


653 posted on 06/17/2016 5:50:02 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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