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To: Diapason
This Protestant also agrees. To further emphasise the point one needs to read the Gospel of John chapter 6. There we are repeatedly told that we will all be raised ON THE LAST DAY.

This Protestant also agrees! The events spoken of in I Thess. 4 are part of the Second Coming of Christ - the "Day of the Lord" and the "last day."

Instead of this clear teaching, pre-tribs insist that the "last day" is far from the last day of human history, but will be followed by the Antichrist and seven years of Tribulation, followed by yet another "Day of the Lord," yet another "last battle," and another "Return of Christ," followed by 1000 years and finally yet another "final rebellion" and another final Coming of Christ on a White Horse as per Rev. 19.

These Evangelical Protestant eschatological "distinctives" are a confusing hodgepodge of conflicting teachings that many unfortunately are unwilling to challenge (as I myself was unwilling to examine for many years).

74 posted on 05/21/2016 12:16:54 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: tjd1454
I find it hard to believe that those who embrace a secret rapture of the church have ever actually studied the scriptures.

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Cor 15

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thess 4

28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. John 5

14 But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets; 15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. Acts 24

These passages leave no room for a secret rapture, nor even for two bodily resurrections separated by 1000 years. *One* resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous is what is clearly taught by Jesus and Paul.

The early creeds agree:

On the third day he rose again; he ascended into heaven, he is seated at the right hand of the Father, and he will come to judge the living and the dead. - Apostles Creed

He suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven with the same body, [and] sat at the right hand of the Father. He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father, to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there is no end. - Nicene Creed

He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved. - The Athanasian Creed 5th century A.D.

87 posted on 05/21/2016 12:44:59 PM PDT by Galatians513 (this space available for catchy tagline)
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To: tjd1454

Yep been there, I just used what my denomination taught and what I was taught in school, a pre-trib rapture hodgepodge of half scriptures, and multi returns of Jesus . Then I studied the Word on it and it was clear it was not what the Word taught.

Won’t do that now with any teaching, the Holy Spirit teaches us by the Word and there is no confusion and half baked doctrines. Tithing is another one that is false that i just believed because i respected those teaching it. They were still wrong.


149 posted on 05/21/2016 5:48:44 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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