[free_life]

Grammar correction: John 14 gives and not a whiff of evidence of a PTR.

[MHGinTN]

There are two reasons I keep trying to point you to what Jesus taught His disciples: you keep insisting "Note it does not say caught up and taken to heaven”, but Jesus said that very thing in John 14; you seem unable to grasp that it is Jesus (being GOD) Who revealed the mysteries through Paul that He, JESUS, introduced in the Upper Room Discourse.

You are correct that Jesus did not use the word harpazo in that Discourse, but it appears you do not want to see that He was referring to what He, through the Holy Spirit, more fully revealed with Paul's writing of things GOD showed him when he was taken up to heaven, as described to the Galatians.

It is left to a believer to reason these issues out. If you choose to not go any further with them, so be it. pax vobiscum.

The taking these to Himself and back tot he Father's House, found in John 14 is not something happening after the Tribulation because the Bride returns with Him at the end of the Tribulation and is with Him reigning here during the millennium.

Several good teachers have pointed to Jesus paralleling the events of the Church Age and the Rapture and the time in Heaven prior to returning tot he earth, paralleling these with the process of the Jewish wedding process. Seeing those parallels might help ...