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On the Separation of Church and State: Pope Francis vs. Pope Pius X
The Remnant Newspaper ^ | May 18, 2016 | Michael Matt

Posted on 05/18/2016 6:05:50 PM PDT by ebb tide

Pope Francis believes that a healthy secularism paired with a strong law that grants above all a religious freedom is the key to a successful and peaceful state, while states tied to a single religion don’t have a future.

“Confessional states end badly…I believe that secularism accompanied by a strong law which guarantees religious freedom provides a framework for moving forward,” the Pontiff said in an interview with Guillaume Goubert, director of French Roman Catholic newspaper La Croix.

Thank you, Francis for throwing St. Pope Pius X under the popemobile officially. At least now the world knows where you stand.

"That the State must be separated from the Church," said the great (and actually humble) Pope Pius in Vehementer Nos, "is a thesis absolutely false, a most pernicious error. Based, as it is, on the principle that the State must not recognize any religious cult, it is in the first place guilty of a great injustice to God; for the Creator of man is also the Founder of human societies, and preserves their existence as He preserves our own. We owe Him, therefore, not only a private cult, but a public and social worship to honor Him..."

I guess old Saint Pius is yet another one of those rigorist doctors of the law that Francis so enjoys maligning. And besides, what did he know about mercy!

At any rate, the Revolution has finally come full circle, with Peter himself now making common cause with the freemasons and their secularist creed so thoroughly condemned by the popes of yesterday.

If you can't lick 'em, join 'em--eh, Holiness?


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: confessionalstates; epa; francischurch; globalwarminghoax; popefrancis; romancatholicism
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To: SGNA
Newman on the Syllabus

Cardinal Newman didn't seem to think that the Syllabus of Errors was infallible at all.

21 posted on 05/19/2016 11:33:04 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: terycarl
77 years, Mostly Catholic grade schools, last 3 years Catholic high school, 1 son graduate of Notre Dame, active in my parish, 4th degree KofC, and your message meant nothing to me...don't condemn, EXPLAIN.

Well, your poor parents apparently didn't their money's worth on your Catholic education and I have nothing to say but bad things to say about Notre Dame University and that goes all the way back to the sob, Theodore Hesburgh.

As far as your DEMAND for an explanation of the Catholic confessional state, I recommend you start here:

An Apology for the Confessional State

If you have any other questions about our religion, feel free to PM me.

22 posted on 05/19/2016 11:46:19 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: terycarl; SGNA; ebb tide; NTHockey; mainestategop

The OUM:

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/vatican2/magisterium.htm


23 posted on 05/19/2016 12:59:15 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ebb tide
Well, your poor parents apparently didn't their money's worth on your Catholic education and I have nothing to say but bad things to say about Notre Dame University and that goes all the way back to the sob, Theodore Hesburgh. As far as your DEMAND for an explanation of the Catholic confessional state, I recommend you start here: An Apology for the Confessional State If you have any other questions about our religion, feel free to PM me.

My Catholic education was just fine, thank you....My Notre Dame graduate is a computer wizard who designs software programs for LARGE companies. Hesburgh was just fine, the liberal slant of Notre Dame does not impress me at all and neither my son, nor I will donate money to them. The article that you led me to read was mostly gibberish and had no real purpose at all.....I got nothing out of it, but I will re-read it when UI have a little more time.

Go Irish....football season is coming soon!!!

24 posted on 05/19/2016 6:36:55 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl

If you think Hesburgh was just fine, I stand by my critique of your “catholic” education.

>>The single greatest cause of the decline of Notre Dame as a truly Catholic university was the Land O’Lakes Statement of 1967, widely believed to have been formulated primarily by Father Hesburgh himself. The statement was, in effect, a declaration of independence of American Catholic colleges from the Catholic hierarchy.<<

http://www.hli.org/2015/03/hold-applause-father-hesburgh-deserves-prayers-praise/


25 posted on 05/19/2016 6:47:44 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: terycarl; piusv

The Catholic confessional state is one that is explicitly Catholic. That is, the government declares the Catholic faith the official established religion, upholds the truth of the Catholic faith and teachings of the Church, and may even limit or forbid other confessions.

By my reading, it is compatible with the American Constitution because—as many people often forget—various states had official established churches well into the 1800s while many of the Founding Fathers were still alive. The Constitution only forbade a *federal* established religion.


26 posted on 05/21/2016 6:21:14 AM PDT by Claud
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