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Sorry, meant to copy you on this post to HWGruene.

First off, addressing your stereotypes of me:

I do not believe in some cartoon God with a beard and sitting on clouds. My belief or non-belief in such has nothing to do with morality.

I am not a Catholic and do not believe in transsubstantiation. My belief or non-belief in such has nothing to do with morality.

I realize that I am in the minority as an annihilationist, so I don’t believe in a burning hell, since that would be a form of everlasting existence, and Scripture is unclear on this.

John 3:16, which is the “mission statement” of Christianity, supports my view, while there are other passages that Christians have quoted to me that suggest otherwise. Given my simplistic view of fairness, I agree with you about the absurdity of eternal pain for a finite amount of wrongdoing.

My belief or non-belief in such has nothing to do with morality per se.

To shorten this up, nothing you wrote is relevant.

You arguments do not address the fact that if there is no higher authority than mankind, then morality is an invention of mankind’s and is subject to the 3 bases I mentioned in my first post on this thread. Basis 2 is the main one addressed by the OP.

Do you deny this?

I was not addressing anything you said, but merely copied you in as the one that was being addressed in the response i engaged with.

I affirm with you that if there is no higher authority than mankind, then morality is an invention of mankind’s and am too tired to read and respond to the 3 bases you mentioned. But I do affirm eternal life and eternal punishment in accordance with the degree of light and grace realized.

And see Christ as being quite clear on this, or else He was bluffing about it being better to cut off a hand rather than endure unquenchable fire, in the Lake of fire in which the devil shall be tormented day and night forever. Even if men see this as unfair in their finiteness.