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To: HWGruene
So what you are saying is god left a loaded .45 on the table in reach of people that knew no sin, therefore innocent.

(Jumping in here) you might say so, with explicit instructions not to pull the trigger, while proving no restrictions on the other guns, as such would have only positive effects.

Do you mean after he told those innocents what would happen,or before?

The ability to discern good and evil was present from the beginning. A+E were innocent but not unable to make moral choices, though they never knew guilt, and were given vast freedom, with only one solitary prohibition. For the freedom to choose is meaningless unless there is something to choose btwn. Yet were there no subversive temptation, it is unlikely they would have sinned.

But as the original leftist Liberal, the devil seduced Eve with the Victim-Entitlement Mentality, asserting that God was treating her unjustly with His prohibition, as He had no right to keep this certain knowledge of Good and Evil from her.

Meaning this was a demand for God to Share the Wealth, which was the premise of the Devil in the first Occupy Movement, that of the devil presuming to sit in the position of God (the administration building to the Presidency), climbing up "some other way" than that which is lawful. (Is. 14:14; Jn. 10:1; cf. 2Tim. 2:5; Rv. 3:21).

Even then saw the fruit was good to eat, and attractive to the eyes, and to make her wise, and so she ate, and enlisted Adam in sin, who was not deceived but simply went along with his wife. And as they were given stewardship of the earth, by getting their "vote" the devil gained power as the god of this world" system.

That discourse is certainly not what you expected, but there was more to this event than meets the eye. And as the devil yet craves the worship only God is worthy of, then he mainly seeks to obtain it by proxy servants, who likewise employ the seductive (because of man's strong sense of justice) Victim-Entitlement Mentality to obtain power, yet in the end only they reign in power and wealth, perhaps with a few avid supporters.

I will leave the rest of your post to the OP whom presented statements you addressed.

27 posted on 03/19/2016 4:58:51 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

I expected it.
So, do you have any proof of your position or must it be taken only on faith?


29 posted on 03/19/2016 5:24:24 PM PDT by HWGruene (REMEMBER THE ALAMO! Really, no kidding.)
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