Hovering over Rome: The Ghost of Martin Luther

The Catholic World Report ^ | March 16, 2016 | Allessandra Nucci

[ealgeone]

Perhaps it's her concern for the lost ones in the "church" she left that motivates her.

Courtesy ping as we're discussing metmom.

[ebb tide]

I threw myself on the mercy of the court, so to speak, and received that mercy.

So your final judgement has already come and gone?

[ebb tide]

My mistake. I forgot to cc her.

[ealgeone]

>>I threw myself on the mercy of the court, so to speak, and received that mercy.<<

So your final judgement has already come and gone?For the believer in Christ...yes.

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:40

[ealgeone]

not a problem. the conversation moves fast sometimes.

[ealgeone]

Serious question....do these verses mean anything to you?

Do you take Christ at His word?

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:40

[aMorePerfectUnion]

So your final judgement has already come and gone?

I'll step in if metmom doesn't mind.

The believer has been identified with Christ's death on the cross and burial and resurrection. He is now sealed by the Holy Spirit as a down payment for the rest that is to come. His fate is decided through no merit of his or her own.

What remains is the bema seat judgment, where the quality of a believers works on earth will be tested "as though through fire." What is revealed as gold, silver and precious gems will determine the believers rewards in heaven. Even if he or she has squandered their lives and everything is burned up, they themselves will be saved.

[ebb tide]

I'll step in if metmom doesn't mind.

Go right ahead. You protestants seem to be stepping all over each other. How many denominations are y'all up to now?

[imardmd1]

. . . and took it out of the way . . .

Yes, Bro, so much of that context in the past, but in this, this the sweetness is that once taken away, it is never, ever to return.

Thanks for standing in the gap, making up the hedge, by the authority of the Master who seeks such.

[Springfield Reformer]

Good to see you too. I’ve been involved in the political debates here, so spending less time on the religion forum. Also I’m getting some forward movement on my book project. Christian fiction, a somewhat plausible time-travel story that explores some themes that have been discussed on these very pages. My granddaughter wants me to make a movie out of it. I can dream. :)

Peace,

SR

[daniel1212]

the former Augustinian monk was as much a man of the flesh and of turbulent spirits as Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503), whose sins we are in no danger of being allowed to forget.

Only a RC could so describe a man who was so intent on crucifying his flesh that he engaged in extreme fasting, self-flagellation, and staying in the freezing cold, and later, despite intended continued celibacy, married a devoted women to whom he was faithful to, and together bore six children and raised four orphans, none of which (TMK) were known to scandalize the church. But perhaps due to giving uncritical credence to RC charges, besides actual coarse language and invectives describe him "as much a man of the flesh...as much as Pope Alexander VI. Who,

As vice chancellor of the Roman Catholic church, Rodrigo amassed enormous wealth and, despite a severe rebuke from Pope Pius II, lived as a Renaissance prince. He patronized the arts and fathered a number of children for whom he provided livings, mainly in Spain. By a Roman noblewoman, Vannozza Catanei, he had four subsequently legitimized offspring—Juan, Cesare, Jofré, and Lucrezia—whose complicated careers troubled his pontificate...

Despite the shadow of simony that surrounded the disposal of his benefices among the papal electors, Rodrigo emerged from a tumultuous conclave on the night of Aug. 10–11, 1492, as Pope Alexander VI...

Attempts to whitewash Alexander’s private conduct have proved abortive. While his religious convictions cannot be challenged, scandal accompanied his activities throughout his career. Even from a Renaissance viewpoint, his relentless pursuit of political goals and unremitting efforts to aggrandize his family were seen as excessive. - http://www.britannica.com/biography/Alexander-VI

[ebb tide]

Do you take Christ at His word?

Of course I hear His Word. And I wish you would hear all of His words, not just a select few.

And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18

But you have said a church is not necessary. Seems like you have a problem with Jesus.

[Springfield Reformer]

See, that right there is mindreading. When I was a very young man, I wondered if there was a way to really do that. I have since learned God knows people much better than I do, and my guesses often prove wrong. In a spirit of charity I now usually try to suppose the best motives, rather than the worst, and very often I am right.

Peace,

SR

[MHGinTN]

And yet more exhibit of this demonic conflation blinding catholic minds ...

[ebb tide]

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[daniel1212]

What you [(probably) don’t know about Martin Luther

Martin Luther: Topical Master Index For Papers And Blogs

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[imardmd1]

Catholics don’t understand the concept of being dead to sin.

Nor of being alive in Christ?

[ealgeone]

So your final judgement has already come and gone?

Let's stay on topic.

Do you believe this statement of Christ?

24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:40

[Springfield Reformer]

Amen.

I remember when my burdens rolled away;
I had carried them for years, night and day.
When I sought the blessed Lord,
And I took Him at His word,
Then at once all my burdens rolled away.
Rolled away, rolled away,
I am happy since my burdens rolled away.
Rolled away, rolled away,
I am happy since my burdens rolled away.

I remember when my burdens rolled away;
That I feared would never leave, night or day.
Jesus showed to me the loss,
So I left them at the cross;
I was glad when my burdens rolled away.

I remember when my burdens rolled away,
That had hindered me for years, night and day.
As I sought the throne of grace,
Just a glimpse of Jesus’ face,
And I knew that my burdens could not stay.

I am singing since my burdens rolled away;
There’s a song within my heart night and day.
I am living for my King,
And with joy I shout and sing:
“Hallelujah, all my burdens rolled away!”

From here: https://www.hymnal.net/en/hymn/h/8243

Peace,

SR

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“How many denominations are you up to now?”

I’ll thank you to refer to them as Protestant Rites. Other than those dead churches we cut off from fellowship, we agree on the core doctrines of our faith.

I would point out that the Catholic denomination appears to be filled with a membership, each of who decides what to believe from the Catholic Buffet... Apparently, this includes your pope!

Best!