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Hovering over Rome: The Ghost of Martin Luther
The Catholic World Report ^ | March 16, 2016 | Allessandra Nucci

Posted on 03/17/2016 7:49:46 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: af_vet_1981
Since you now, it seems to me, allow that Luther may not be in the kingdom after all, your theology is not completely dependent on him being saved.

When you post things like this, it becomes apparent you do not understand the Gospel of grace.

141 posted on 03/17/2016 1:53:02 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: avenir
Martin Luther merely reminded men to do this, having found liberty through the free GIFT of righteousness spelled out in Romans. I have no confidence that someone willingly deceived by man made religion (pride!) will be able to see this, let alone DO anything about it.*

Amen.

142 posted on 03/17/2016 1:54:02 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: ebb tide
Paul tells us what makes up the church. It's individual believers.

1 Corinthians 12:27-31 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

Therefore, if any church really has the claim of being the one true church, then it ought to be the Corinthian church, not the church at Rome.

143 posted on 03/17/2016 1:54:45 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide; metmom
Judgement Day?

Are you kidding? Many of you protestants seem to think that you're already saved, even before their final judgement by Christ. The sin of presumption.

The only thing we presume is that His words to us are true and that we can trust in His promises.

1“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3“If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4“And you know the way where I am going.” 5Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:1-6

The question is....do you trust in Him?

144 posted on 03/17/2016 1:54:55 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: TalonDJ
The scripture clearly shows us the universal Church is his body. If you stand apart from ‘any church’ you can’t claim to be in Christ. You can not trust in Christ and reject that which he established.

Let's clarify.

Christ established His "gathering." Not any denomination, including Catholicism.

His Body is composed of all true believers of all time. No one is there because they joined any denomination, nor signed a membership card, nor went through "confirmation", etc. They are there only if they have entrusted themselves to HIM alone for salvation.

You must trust Christ alone for salvation. If you do not, it is on you, bro.

If you do, you are part of His universal "gathering." If you do not, you go to hell. If you do go to hell, it is because you pursued your own righteousness and didn't accept His gracious gift. Why don't you?

145 posted on 03/17/2016 1:57:59 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: ebb tide
Anyone can have it.

As did Mohammed. I hope you fare better than him.

Mohammed, by virtue of his "fruits" is more than likely in Hellfire and brimstone right now. I can absolutely assure you, I will fare better than his EVIL rear end.
I can not imagine why anyone would NOT WANT to know positively, that they are going to Heaven. The only other alternative, is Hell. I don't want any part of that, and I don't know anyone who does.

146 posted on 03/17/2016 1:58:42 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I really think roman catholics are hoping Luther is in Hell.

That's a pretty awful thing to wish on someone.

The Gospel is open and available to the worst mass murderer in the world to a child old enough to understand. If one repents and believes Jesus, one can enter Heaven. This can happen at any point in their life. From very early to very late.

Remember...Paul was a persecutor of Christians.

Moses was a murderer.

David was an adultery and arranged for a murder.

Some of the "biggest" names in the OT have a pretty bad rap sheet. Yet, they are recorded in Hebrews as having faith.

147 posted on 03/17/2016 1:59:26 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
Are you kidding? Many of you protestants seem to think that you're already saved, even before their final judgement by Christ.

I *AM* already saved. I have already been judged.

Jesus said so here....

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

The Judgment Seat of Christ is for rewards given to believers whose sins have already been forgiven. They were forgiven here on earth.

We enter heaven and Christ evaluates what we have done for Him and gives us rewards for faithful service.

The Judgment seat before God is for people to be judged by their works as they chose to do when they rejected Christ and decided they'd rather depend on what they do to get into heaven.

And their works WILL damn them.

The sin of presumption.

Could you give us a chapter and verse on where the sin of presumption is listed by God as a sin?

148 posted on 03/17/2016 1:59:47 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

Believing God when He promises something isn’t being presumptuous, it’s being wise and showing faith, that you believe that what God told us is true.


149 posted on 03/17/2016 2:00:46 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone
The Gospel is open and available to the worst mass murderer in the world to a child old enough to understand. If one repents and believes Jesus, one can enter Heaven. This can happen at any point in their life. From very early to very late.

This is the wonder of the unmerited favor of God and the reflection of His love and His justice coming together at the cross.

Unfortunately, many hear the message and turn away, thinking they are better than the mass murderer, so surely they will go to heaven. They will not.

150 posted on 03/17/2016 2:02:22 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: ealgeone
I am very thankful I am not a roman catholic. The fear one must live in not knowing if they've blown it somewhere

I used to go confess to a priest about two or three times a week, and still I felt like a lost soul. I was, but not anymore. 😃

151 posted on 03/17/2016 2:03:32 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
When you post things like this, it becomes apparent you do not understand the Gospel of grace.

When the founder of the reformation theology is a vicious antisemite, it becomes apparent it is illegitimate.

152 posted on 03/17/2016 2:07:31 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Think about all the people Jesus encountered. He told these people to believe in Him. They did. They trusted Him with what He told them.

Now, would He now look at those people and say to them, "well, I know I told you to believe, but I added a few extra requirements since we met last so it's more than just belief you need. Now it's _______ you need."

Does that make any sense that He would change the condition on how to gain Heaven??

If one reads the OT, you see it was about faith then as it is now.

Abraham believed God.

Gideon believed God.

Noah believed God.

David believed God.

and on, and on, and on.

The simple message of the Gospel is just that....simple. It's so simple it's confounded people. Some think....it can't be that easy. Yet it is.

153 posted on 03/17/2016 2:14:05 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Unfortunately, many hear the message and turn away, thinking they are better than the mass murderer, so surely they will go to heaven. They will not.

You are correct sir.
My opinion is, Hell will be filled with "good people" who thought they were so good, that they went about trying to establish their own righteousness. Heaven, on the other hand, will be filled with "bad people" who were so bad, they recognized it, and fled to the savior for forgiveness.

154 posted on 03/17/2016 2:20:17 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: af_vet_1981
When the founder of the reformation theology is a vicious antisemite, it becomes apparent it is illegitimate.

I do not excuse what Father Luther learned at the feet of Rome. He had lots of unlearning to do!

Still, I am grateful God called Father Luther to recover the Gospel. More than any man could ever expect to accomplish in his life.

Back to your own salvation...

Do you have eternal life? Do you know today that you will spend eternity in the presence of God? If not, what are you waiting for, bro?

155 posted on 03/17/2016 2:30:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: af_vet_1981

“The bus came by and I got on, That’s when it all began.”

Hmmmm ... so tempting. But I am going to leave it alone.


156 posted on 03/17/2016 2:38:11 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: af_vet_1981

You just condemned roman catholicism.


157 posted on 03/17/2016 2:41:20 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Amity

God used Luther despite Luther ... thanks be to God.


158 posted on 03/17/2016 2:45:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Neither do you condemn his antisemitism and your argument completely unravels as he became worse and worse the longer he was a Protestant. He cast off all restraint and submitted to no authority other than the unholy spirit which motivated him to write his antisemitic screed and seven point plan against the Jews, which the German people adopted and implemented.


159 posted on 03/17/2016 2:50:44 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ealgeone

I condemned the so-called reformation theology since it was founded by a vicious antisemite, which renders it illegitimate, not having sprung from God. Protestantism was founded in antisemitism.


160 posted on 03/17/2016 2:55:43 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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