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1 posted on 03/13/2016 4:45:58 AM PDT by NYer
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CATHOLIC CAUCUS

Catholic ping!

2 posted on 03/13/2016 4:46:51 AM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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“when the dog bites,
when the bee stings,
when I’m feeling mad,
I simply remember my favorite things,
then I don’t feel so bad.”


3 posted on 03/13/2016 4:51:22 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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You know, if the priest had just given this crank a Flagellant's flail, and pointed him toward the Holy Land, he would have been happier.

FTA, the priest already knew the guy was slipping gears, and I suppose a mannequin is better than attacking someone during an ecumenical mass.

4 posted on 03/13/2016 4:54:00 AM PDT by jonascord (It's sarcasm unless otherwise noted... This time, it's not.)
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GOD BLESS the HOLY CUSTODIAN!!! God will NOT be Mocked, Gutsell!!

Same as Jesus throwing out the sellers in the Temple!!

5 posted on 03/13/2016 4:58:21 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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I wonder what the point of a cathedral is.. Is it for the glory of God, to bring people closer to Him - or is it for festivals to maybe bring some spare change in for the church coffers? Buddha, in a Catholic Church?

I suppose some will find this guy’s actions crazy but I for one am proud of him. One last guy fighting for sanctity in a world gone goofy with accommodating the secular and the profane.

Today’s Mass will be dedicated for him.


8 posted on 03/13/2016 5:07:51 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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Is this a Catholic church? Next step will be a Donald Trump style layman running for Pope. (The Pope does not have to be a Cardinal, any more than he needs to be Italian.)

A little drastic, but I can see the custodian's point. Besides, if Sister Mary Theodore could look up and see up Mary Poppin's skirt, there would have been words between her and the priest who authorized this.

11 posted on 03/13/2016 5:43:27 AM PDT by Bernard (The Road To Hell Is Not Paved With Good Results)
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John 2:15-16:

15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”

12 posted on 03/13/2016 5:48:07 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (#BlackoLivesMatter)
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“Cathedrals,” he said, “are kind of the epicenter for culture presentation and development.”

Eileen Burke-Sullivan, a theologian and vice provost for mission and ministry at Creighton University, said she sees no problem. The cathedral and the archdiocese, she said, have supported the arts in Omaha for many years.

I will side with the custodian.

And the Bishops wonder why church attendance and numbers of men entering the priesthood are falling.

I guess they don’t see it. For the church (any church) it must maintain the awe and respect of the membership, it must remain aloof from the mundane everyday world. It can not do that if it becomes a part of the everyday mundane world.

Having secular concerts and flower shows in the nave of the church makes it no more than an auditorium. In my youth I never saw anything like this in my home parish or anywhere else. Not even the protestant churches did this to my knowledge.

And this is not just a local parish this is a cathedral; the home parish of a Bishop. To me that the Bishop allows this is mind boggling. This is the church in which sits his throne. To me he himself is attacking the dignity of his office.

The only explanation I can see for the Bishop permitting this is that the diocese is in desperate need of cash and they are forced to rent the cathedral for needed funds.

In my mind it is a bad move. The sacred can not exist long in the presence of mundane. Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple because it was the house of God. Flower shows exist to sell flowers. I hope you get the point.

13 posted on 03/13/2016 5:54:13 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Hooray for the custodian. I fight this crap all the time im our church. Mixing the profane with the sacred.


14 posted on 03/13/2016 5:54:28 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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the 31st annual Cathedral Flower Festival, with its theme of “A Night at the Movies,”

Movie characters are not allowed in a "Night at the Movies" Festival?

15 posted on 03/13/2016 5:57:36 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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“Some compositions written for pipe organ are not explicitly sacred.”

Arguing about the exact location of the line is moot when one is clearly over it.


18 posted on 03/13/2016 6:15:01 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("Get the he11 out of my way." - John Galt)
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Maybe the “clastic” part of this iconoclastic action should have been directed at those who thought a mannequin of a witch (the character Mary Poppins was no less a witch than Nanny McPhee and Oz’s Glenda) and a statue of the Buddha have a place in a Catholic cathedral, and who had enough audacity and bad taste to put them there. When Jesus drove the money changers out from His Father’s temple he whipped men, not their cash boxes.


19 posted on 03/13/2016 6:21:21 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinion)
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Fr. Gutsgell needs to reflect on the meaning of the word "consecration". When a church is first built it is "consecrated". This means that it is set aside for the sacred, the worship of God, the celebration of the Divine Mysteries. Flower shows, Mary Poppins displays, even hootenanies.....they may be harmless in themselves but the Church is not the place to hold these things.

There's a time and a place for everything as my mother used to say.

22 posted on 03/13/2016 6:42:05 AM PDT by marshmallow
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While the local bishop has some leeway, I think “a night at the movies” is not in keeping with the intent of the governing canon:

Can. 1210 Only those things which serve the exercise or promotion of worship, piety, or religion are permitted in a sacred place; anything not consonant with the holiness of the place is forbidden. In an individual case, however, the ordinary can permit other uses which are not contrary to the holiness of the place.


23 posted on 03/13/2016 6:48:21 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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The cathedral is not an auditorium or a concert hall. It’s consecrated space where Christ resides in repose in the Tabernacle. The Cathedral grounds probably include a church hall or other public meeting space. That is where you put your movie-themed display, and have fun with the Flower Festival.

I’m with the custodian on this one. I’m sorry he did this the “activist” way, not by rallying the congregation to his cause, but he is right.

Just about every Catholic Church has festivals and fundraisers. None of them have the party in the Church itself.


27 posted on 03/13/2016 7:32:28 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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Buddha was Catholic? Who knew? :)


28 posted on 03/13/2016 5:31:14 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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