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Can the Church Depose an Heretical Pope?
The Remnant Newspaper ^ | November 18, 2014 | Robert J. Siscoe

Posted on 01/31/2016 4:18:23 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: ealgeone
My question to catholics would be and still remains....against what do you measure the teachings of the pope? What is the standard?

The Deposit of Faith.

81 posted on 01/31/2016 8:20:02 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Petrosius

Is that an opinion or something catholics have to believe? There are some catholics who claim to be more knowledgeable than the pope. Perhaps we need their insight on this matter?


82 posted on 01/31/2016 8:20:15 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
Then let's go with the Greek. Would that solve your problem? You still have to get it into the native language for folks to understand it.

btw....you confuse sola scriptura with what you post.

83 posted on 01/31/2016 8:23:31 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Nobody removed anything.

Luther translated everything, even the books that WEREN’T recognized as CANON at the time by the Catholic church itself.

He included them in a separate section.

Playing lawyer are we? The Deuterocanonical books were recognized as canon at the time, as they were since the 4th century. By placing them in an appendix he was declaring that they were not part of Sacred Scripture even though they were bound in the same volume. Thus Luther did remove the Deuterocanonical books from the Bible, i.e. from Sacred Scripture. Or would you claim that they are indeed a part of the Bible and are to be considered Sacred Scripture?

84 posted on 01/31/2016 8:24:05 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: metmom
If the Holy spirit doesn't do the leading, then who does?

The Cardinals. But I thought that you knew that.

85 posted on 01/31/2016 8:25:55 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I care about if the Word is being rightly handled. I really don't care about roman catholic tradition as it contains false doctrines. What is in "sacred tradition" that is not in the Word that is essential for having eternal life?

John notes in two places we have all we need to know on how to have eternal life.

86 posted on 01/31/2016 8:27:09 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Flavious_Maximus
Also why does he always hide the crucifix around his neck? Is he ashamed of the cross and what it represents?

He doesn't wear a Crucifix. The image he wears and frequently hides is of a figure posed in the "osiris position".

87 posted on 01/31/2016 8:27:31 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: ebb tide
Can the Church Depose an Heretical Pope?
88 posted on 01/31/2016 8:32:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
"I care about if the Word is being rightly handled. I really don't care about roman catholic tradition as it contains false doctrines. What is in "sacred tradition" that is not in the Word that is essential for having eternal life?"

You openly acknowledge that you don't care, so why do you think anyone should waste their time giving you a serious answer?

89 posted on 01/31/2016 8:33:17 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: metmom

Don’t you think one ignernt question per post is enough? You had enough in there for two additional ignernt posts. Just sayin. Space it out a little.


90 posted on 01/31/2016 8:33:44 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: softengine; terycarl
Well, he is still a human. Therefore, he has a fallen nature. Therefore, he can "fall" prey to any of the weaknesses that any other human may fall prey to. Sin and heresy included.
91 posted on 01/31/2016 8:33:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
The question of extra ecclesiam is more complicated than simple bumper sticker theology. In his 1863 encyclical letter Quanto confidiamur moerore, Pope Pius IX wrote:
Well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff.
In the same letter, he said:
There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace since God who clearly beholds, searches, and knows the minds, souls, thoughts, and habits of all men, because of His great goodness and mercy, will by no means suffer anyone to be punished with eternal torment who has not the guilt of deliberate sin.
This is well before Vatican II.
92 posted on 01/31/2016 8:35:14 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: ealgeone

I do not understand your question.


93 posted on 01/31/2016 8:36:14 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: metmom
If your hierarchy elects a pope, on what basis does the laity decide that they are wrong?

Well; I've been accused of being my own pope; so I would reason that these guys are their own Torquemada.

94 posted on 01/31/2016 8:39:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
The Catholic church kicked Luther out for daring to speak out against the corruption and immorality he saw within the ranks of the Catholic church.

The GOPe is having fits because of Trump daring to speak out.

95 posted on 01/31/2016 8:40:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

You got the weekend duty?

Terycarl and Vlad will be back tomorrow?


96 posted on 01/31/2016 8:42:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Trying reading it before you jump into the protestant mosh pit.

Reading is FUNdamental!


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." — Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1

97 posted on 01/31/2016 8:45:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I love how protestants are so attracted to Catholic threads.

It’s like salmon doing their best to swim upstream, back to where they were born.


98 posted on 01/31/2016 8:49:53 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: metmom

So when you drive a stake in a Catholic’s heart do you use wood or silver? Just curious. :-)


99 posted on 01/31/2016 8:51:31 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Elsie

Thank you for posting the Truth.


100 posted on 01/31/2016 8:52:31 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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