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To: Arthur McGowan; Gamecock

The Catholic God died on the cross.

That’s not the God of Scripture.

The body of the second person of the Trinity died on the cross, thus Jesus tasted death and by experiencing it, is able to set us free from its power.

That hardly means that GOD died.

I guess the Catholic God is not immortal or eternal.


436 posted on 01/04/2016 4:03:58 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; Syncro; HossB86; daniel1212; Gamecock; ealgeone; MamaB; MHGinTN; boatbums; lupie; Elsie
The Catholic God died on the cross.
That’s not the God of Scripture.
The body of the second person of the Trinity died on the cross, thus Jesus tasted death and by experiencing it, is able to set us free from its power.
That hardly means that GOD died.
I guess the Catholic God is not immortal or eternal.

Don't read an ything into this, don't wist my words. each word means exactly what it says, and only what it says.
The Trinity is made up of three distinct separate persons. These persons are God the Father, God the Son (Jesus, the second person of the Trinity), and God the Holy Spirit.

These three persons while completely separate share one nature. This is a divine nature. Each of them is fully capable of acting separately from the others, yet these actions are always in full accord with each other. This full accord was how God the Father was able to send His Son for our redemption, and Jesus was able to send the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in all truth.

Now Jesus as a separate person was able to fully posses two natures. A divine nature, and a separate fully human nature. He was fully God and fully man. This fully human nature shared the same human emotions as every other human, but was cognizant of His fate and able to overcome His fears through faith in the Father. (See the garden of Gethsemane.)

This second person of the Trinity did die on the cross and it was indeed God that did die. As several of you are so fond of saying it was only through the shedding of blood that we could be redeemed. Millions of humans had died before Him yet none of them could redeem us. It had to be the death of God the Son, second person of the Trinity.

Abraham being willing to sacrifice Isaac was the precedent that set the stage for this. God the Father had to be not only willing to let His Son die but actually had to let His Son die for the redemption to occur.

Note: I will not be responding to any of the typical stupid or smart aleck comments I expect to arise from this post. If you have something intelligent to say I will respond. Anything that contains the usual "Prove it from scripture" comments will be ignored.

510 posted on 01/04/2016 6:32:11 PM PST by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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To: metmom; Arthur McGowan

Jesus died on the cross. That was the point.

But it is. I'm flabbergasted that you would have said such a thing, metmom

It was God, even God the Father, yet in form of the Son, who did die on the cross and on the 3rd day resurrected.

The only begotten had to be sent to do this...

God the Father had no other way to take our own place, the place of our (including Mary, I say under my breath) deserved/earned punishment.

The wages of sin is death. (Romans 6:23)

God is just. He is not one to defraud a workman from wages due. He simply cannot, for He is Holy.

I see that you continued on, making more sense, yet not without some problem as I see it;

All by itself that would be a a not disagreeable comment.

In the person of Jesus, God did die. That is part of the Gospel message, that it was God Himself who took that place of punishment for our sins, not His, for Christ was without sin.

Jesus did say that he did nothing that He did not see his Father doing --- and "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father".

1,266 posted on 01/07/2016 4:08:54 PM PST by BlueDragon (TheHildbeast is so bad, purty near anybody should beat her. And that's saying something)
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