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To: kosciusko51

I don’t but as you can see from the Title of this thread it was hijacked by them, because the mention of Mary gets there panties all up in a bunch. Unlike Protestantism, which defines itself by how uncatholic they are, Catholics could care less what Protestants believe, other than of course being aware that it’s heretical, which just means not in accord with orthodoxy.


2,366 posted on 01/14/2016 6:34:36 AM PST by The Cuban
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To: The Cuban

But is it heresy to not venerate Mary, and if so why, since is it not a salvation issue?


2,367 posted on 01/14/2016 6:37:59 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: The Cuban
Protestantism, which defines itself by how uncatholic they are...

I am part of the catholic Church.

"Mentioning Mary" doesn't bother me a bit. What the "Holy Roman Catholic Church" does with her DOES bother me and here's why:

The "HRCC" is leading people to HELL and Mary worship is part of Satan's plot!

Sure! That bothers me and it bothers God.

2,368 posted on 01/14/2016 6:48:52 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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Offering this as a 'prot', we non-Catholics see two different Mary profiles. One profile is the Mother of Jesus, since she is a human being and cannot be the progenitor of God. We use that term progenitor the way it is defined in common usage:

Full Definition of progenitor 1

a : an ancestor in the direct line : forefather
b : a biologically ancestral form

2

: precursor, originator

Personally, I do not assign any DNA connection directly from Mary, the Mother of Jesus, to the embryonic being Who gestated in her womb. As such she is the biological surrogate to a conceptus COMPLETELY formed by God The Father and placed in Mary's womb by The Holy Spirit.

If one assigns half the chromosomes of Jesus to a gamete from Mary, she is more than a surrogate Mother. If one assigns no gamete chromosome origins to Mary then she is The surrogate Mother of Jesus ... and here's the part catholic boneheads will just thrill over ... if Mary is solely a surrogate to the God fashioned embryonic Jesus, she is the surrogate mother of the physical human body Jesus occupied during His earthly sojourn and is due no other honor than the blessed Mother of Jesus, The Jesus Who was and IS God with us.

The religion of catholiciism, as different from Christianity, seeks to assign to the Mother of Jesus titles and roles which God did not assign in His Word, The Bible. To do this sleight of hand the catholic hierarchy plays conflation games and duplicitous definition games. That's just plain dishonest when such titles and roles are not found anywhere in The Word of God, The Bible.

It is curious that catholics insist we 'prots' acknowledge that it is the Catholic Church (not the ekklesia of Jesus origins, begun in the profession of faith by Peter) which brought us all The Bible as we have it today, yet they cannot find even one clear passage which makes assignment of the titles the religion of modern catholiciism assigns to their Mary in adoration.

When Mary and her other children came to the house where Jesus was teaching and stood outside asking for an audience, it is revealing to see how Jesus responded. Had Mary been a real progenitor to Jesus as God, He would by Jewish law been obliged to honor her request. He, however, stated tot he attending crowd, who is my Mother, etc. when Jesus was dying in body on the Cross, since none of his brothers were there present with His Mother, He gave her care over to a disciple.

It was only AFTER the Resurrection that the brothers of Jesus fully believed in His Messiah identity! And why not, they knew Him as the oldest brother in the family and had even tried to persuade Him to stop with the making unrest among the people being ruled by Rome. After the Resurrection they knew without any doubt that He was much more than just a religious zealot who was their oldest brother ... He was God with them! And their lives thereafter reflect their certainty. Had James not been the brother of Jesus, I doubt the body of Jewish believers would have placed him as their leader in Jerusalem, since the Sanhedrin was hell-bent to persecute the Jewish zealotry. But James was a rock of faithfulness, and even the acknowledged leader when the Council in Acts takes place determining what would be the best way to relate with the gentiles coming to Christ.

Removing the family connection between Jesus and James as having the same Mother seems a foolish way to try and promote false titles and roles for their Mother. The Blessed Mother of Jesus was more than just the Mother of Jesus, she was the Mother of a couple of the pillars of Christian ekklesia!

2,372 posted on 01/14/2016 7:06:48 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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