Unless you believe in the incarnation, but that means that Mary is the Mother of God because God could not die for sins unless he first assumed human flesh and became both fully man while being fully God.
Catholics, on the other hand, are taught that you have to do more.... so, personally, I believe the issue here is what you, if you are Catholic, believe: is Christ's death enough? Catholics, on the other hand, are taught that you have to do more.... so, personally, I believe the issue here is what you, if you are Catholic, believe: is Christ's death enough?
Nice attempt at distraction. Can't stay on point?
You can attempt to explain it many ways; I have an issue that the term implies that Mary bore GOD. She didn't. She bore Jesus. Jesus is God incarnate. God has no beginning and no end.
If Jesus is incarnate that means that Mary is the Mother of God. Its actually less scandalous than saying God died on an instrument of torture. But that is precisely what the incarnation means. Once again the Motherhood of Mary does not mean authorship of the Godhead. It means that a communicable reality applies to the incarnation. the same reality that applies for the efficacy of the sacrifice at Calvary.
However, it is the Catholic faith that raises Mary to a level that at best borders on idolatry and at worst IS idolatry.
Not unless a person is unaware that they are using misshapen definitions of mother, ect not found in nature.
You are focused on the Mother of God issue so tightly that for some reason, you're not seeing why the sources I've listed for you that cause such consternation.
Good dialogue stays on point. It does not meander about throwing in irrelevant questions until some of the most basic ones are answered. To do algebra you first must do addition and subtraction at the least.
But also, the reason subjects should not deviate is precisely because its a great way to get away from an conclusive discussion.
Jesus incarnation means that Mary is the Mother of God, that is the sole basis for discussion right now. I'm not jumping into areas which cannot even be discussed properly unless one accepts that God became man in order to die for our sins and that his coming as man necessarily entails that he had to have a mother.
Sorry... You're not going to convince me to believe in a pack of papist nonesense. Mary is Mary...dead and in Heaven, deaf to what goes on here just as all the saved souls in Heaven are.
She does not hear prayer, she doesn't save, she provides no grace. She's not omniscient. Only God is.
So... You're done. Move on to something else. You've flogged this dead horse enough.
Hoss
But you logic fails.
If Mary, the mother of Jesus, is indeed the mother of God, then when Jesus dies in the cross, God died on the cross.
The double standard Catholics continually use to support their theology would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
Jesus’ incarnation means that Mary was the mother of the Incarnation, Jesus, not the mother of Diety, God.
No it doesn't...The Bible doesn't say that...Mary is the mother of Jesus...That's what the bible tells us...
Why should we reject what the bible says and believe you??? I mean you guys believe in evolution for cryin' out loud...If you can't figure that out, I don't see how you've got any business discussing the incarnation...
It's clear you guys don't believe hardly anything of what the bible says...
God's human body was created inside of Mary...God was not created inside of Mary...
When a person's body dies, is that person dead, or alive???