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To: HossB86
Everything necessary for salvation is there...for growing in grace.

But nowhere in scripture does it state that we have to find everything in the Bible.

2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness"

It is quite evident that this passage furnishes no argument whatever that the sacred Scripture, without Tradition, is the sole rule of faith; for, although sacred Scripture is profitable it is not said to be sufficient. The Apostle Paul requires the aid of Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15). Moreover, the Apostle here refers to the scriptures which Timothy was taught in his infancy. Since a good part of the NT was not yet written, he is referring to the OT.

When read in the context of the surrounding passages, one discovers that Paul's reference to Scripture is only part of his exhortation that Timothy take as his guide Tradition and Scripture. The two verses immediately before it state: "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 3:14–15).

Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it - Paul himself - and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 must be taken out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura. But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition!

The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).

139 posted on 01/01/2016 11:09:16 AM PST by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer
He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).

Taught by whom?

Who?

Right.... the Apostles who KNEW Christ. There's nothing in the Bible that says you can make stuff up out of whole cloth either -- yet, the RCC manages that all of the time.

BTW -- why can't you reconcile 1 Tim. 2:5 and CCC 969?

Hoss

141 posted on 01/01/2016 11:28:49 AM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: NYer; HossB86
Aside from passages in John and 1 John that tell us we have everything we need for salvation.....

please provide us with exactly what Paul told Timothy.

For educational purposes, do a word search on Tradition in the New Testament. You will find, depending on your translation, 13 references to tradition. Ten are in the negative against man's tradition.

The remaining three, when read in context, will clarify the use of tradition.

If you do a word search on "it is written" you will find overwhelming evidence of the reliance upon the written Word.

Recall that when satan tempted Christ, Christ appealed to the written word. Not tradition.

In the OT God gave His word in written form.

While the written Word does not contain everything Jesus or the disciples ever did, nor does it need to, it contains all we need to know on how to have forgiveness of sins and a relationship with God.

Why this is insufficient for the catholic is beyond Christianity.

143 posted on 01/01/2016 11:35:43 AM PST by ealgeone
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