[metmom]

Wow, you slept through Catechism class AND sex education....Catholics teach that consummation of a marriage is necessary in order to make the marriage VALID...

Who cares what Catholicism taught. Mary was betrothed to Joseph and in Israel, that was considered a legal valid marriage. Joseph had in mind to divorce her quietly BEFORE the marriage was consummated, to that blows your argument out of the water.

You will also notice that Catholic families are on average larger than protestant families who believe that artificial birth control and abortion are acceptable. sheesh.

OK, so for non-Catholic families who don't believe contraception and abortion are acceptable, how does the comparison fall out.

BTW, if birth control is wrong, then *natural* birth control is just as much a sin as *artificial* birth control, no matter how the church wants to approve of it and relabel it.

[terycarl]

Who cares what Catholicism taught. Mary was betrothed to Joseph and in Israel, that was considered a legal valid marriage. Joseph had in mind to divorce her quietly BEFORE the marriage was consummated, to that blows your argument out of the water.

No it doesn't, Mary and Joseph were married under Jewish law, not Catholic.

[terycarl]

BTW, if birth control is wrong, then *natural* birth control is just as much a sin as *artificial* birth control, no matter how the church wants to approve of it and relabel it.

Nope, doesn't work that way...and you know it.

[verga]

BTW, if birth control is wrong, then *natural* birth control is just as much a sin as *artificial* birth control, no matter how the church wants to approve of it and relabel it.

Says who, and why? Seriously all you did was express an opinion with no justification or basis in fact.