Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
No I am not Clearly I am saying that the first born is the one to open the womb. These are Gods word from Exodus. It doesn't limit anyone to one child or does it demand further children. It says exactly what it says. The first born is the one to open the womb. Nothing more nothing less.
You also failed to address as to whether Jesus will reign after His enemies are at His feet or how Many children Michael had after her death.
One issue at a time.It is part of the issue, not a separate issue. It shows clearly that the word until/ till does not require a change of state or condition. Jesus will rule after His enemies are at His feet, and Michael had not children after he death. It shows that a change of state or condition is not required.
Are you ignoring or discounting it because it serves to nullify your position?
Classy.
Hoss
Hoss
It would be a strange command indeed if she was really betrothed to the Holy Spirit and considered to be e spouse of the Holy Spirit.
They want us to think the Holy Spirit encouraged Joseph and Mary to commit adultery...
Our you could point to the thread in which you tell us the degree that you earned. I mean if you actually have a degree that you can tell us about.
Unless you believe in the incarnation, but that means that Mary is the Mother of God because God could not die for sins unless he first assumed human flesh and became both fully man while being fully God.
Catholics, on the other hand, are taught that you have to do more.... so, personally, I believe the issue here is what you, if you are Catholic, believe: is Christ's death enough? Catholics, on the other hand, are taught that you have to do more.... so, personally, I believe the issue here is what you, if you are Catholic, believe: is Christ's death enough?
Nice attempt at distraction. Can't stay on point?
You can attempt to explain it many ways; I have an issue that the term implies that Mary bore GOD. She didn't. She bore Jesus. Jesus is God incarnate. God has no beginning and no end.
If Jesus is incarnate that means that Mary is the Mother of God. Its actually less scandalous than saying God died on an instrument of torture. But that is precisely what the incarnation means. Once again the Motherhood of Mary does not mean authorship of the Godhead. It means that a communicable reality applies to the incarnation. the same reality that applies for the efficacy of the sacrifice at Calvary.
However, it is the Catholic faith that raises Mary to a level that at best borders on idolatry and at worst IS idolatry.
Not unless a person is unaware that they are using misshapen definitions of mother, ect not found in nature.
You are focused on the Mother of God issue so tightly that for some reason, you're not seeing why the sources I've listed for you that cause such consternation.
Good dialogue stays on point. It does not meander about throwing in irrelevant questions until some of the most basic ones are answered. To do algebra you first must do addition and subtraction at the least.
But also, the reason subjects should not deviate is precisely because its a great way to get away from an conclusive discussion.
Jesus incarnation means that Mary is the Mother of God, that is the sole basis for discussion right now. I'm not jumping into areas which cannot even be discussed properly unless one accepts that God became man in order to die for our sins and that his coming as man necessarily entails that he had to have a mother.
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Sorry... You're not going to convince me to believe in a pack of papist nonesense. Mary is Mary...dead and in Heaven, deaf to what goes on here just as all the saved souls in Heaven are.
She does not hear prayer, she doesn't save, she provides no grace. She's not omniscient. Only God is.
So... You're done. Move on to something else. You've flogged this dead horse enough.
Hoss
But you logic fails.
If Mary, the mother of Jesus, is indeed the mother of God, then when Jesus dies in the cross, God died on the cross.
The double standard Catholics continually use to support their theology would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
Matthew 27:51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
Whop tore the veil and why?
The NT disagrees with you.
Jesus’ incarnation means that Mary was the mother of the Incarnation, Jesus, not the mother of Diety, God.
You don’t know?
See that’s where following men instead of reading Scripture will get you.
True, because in that culture, the betrothal was considered marriage, a done deal even though it had not yet been consumated.
Otherwise Joseph would not have considered divorcing Mary for her perceived infidelity.
A different word than divorce would have been used to explain Joseph’s actions for breaking off the engagement if it had not had the same status as marriage.
That is total nonsense.
Only the Holy Spirit can interpret the Biblical scriptures.
King James Bible, Ephesians 4:30A message from the Bible for you, do not grieve the Holy Spirit by not acknowledging that He is the one that interprets the Bible.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God
Acts 7:51Catholicism is creating a new class of leaders and followers, in the manner of the Pharisees of old.
You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you.
Ok...so what's your point on this?
Let's see what the Word has to say on this.
25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,†it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. I Cor 15:25-28 NASB
And there's your answer....found in the context of the Word.
Yes I do know. I would like to hear your opinion. Is this another question that anti-Catholics will refuse to answer?
Scriptural reference please. Or do you not use the Bible in the manner of the Bereans?
The Mary of the Bible, who gave birth to Jesus was NOT assumed into heaven.
The assumption of the assumption is just that...an "assumption" with no scriptural basis. She died.
Exactly what I have said from the Beginning. Protestants are engaging in Eisegesis when they say that Christ had brothers and/or sisters from Mary's womb.
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