Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
Even some Catholics do too. We all have been hit by it, unless we follow their rituals.
Absolutely not O.K.......but in NO CASE did any of the misbehaving Popes err in matters of faith and morals.....they didn't remove any books from the Bible, didn't try to incorrectly reinterpret scripture and NEVER tried to change any of the church's teachings.....Like the Eucharist, for example.....unlike some people I've read about.
They don’t get it.
They don’t understand the heart change that occurs in the born again believer cause they’ve never experienced it.
They think that believer think *Oh goodie, I am secure in my salvation. That means that I can go out and sin all I’d like with no consequences* because that’s what they’d think if they thought they were secure in their salvation and there wer no restrictions on their behavior.
What motivates them to not sin isn’t love for and gratitude to God but fear of hell.
I know that the Roman Catholic church does not look down on any of the various Catholic branches.
Hello, they all lived lives that were one big error in faith and morals.
They did not demonstrate any faith and they had no morals.
To claim that they lived like they did and can speak without error in matters of faith and morals has got to be one of the biggest deceptions that Satan has foisted on the Catholic church.
That didn’t answer the question.......
Are you Ukrainian Catholic or do you even KNOW any? Personally?
Absolute and utter nonsense. They very well do look down on others.
Matter of fact, they go as far as to condemn the Orthodox. See post 1543 this thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3378565/posts?page=1543#1543
You, who rarely ever posts a comprehensive complete sentence call someone out on their sentence diagramming?
Read a few of your posts terycarl.
full of ellipses (that’s these ...) ???? and !!!!, hardly a whole sentence in the lot!
This one’s a hoot:
“THIS is the Consecration that He had just dome....”
Really dume fella
DO THIS is he important part of the sentence......in remembrance of me is why to "do this".
In John 6 He was talking to unbelieving Jews though His disciples were with Him at the synagogue.
Quite a difference in the audiences and the messages.
The disciples understood what He was saying in MML.
The Jews did not, not did some of His disciples, in John.
Paul understood the content of the message as well as noted in his writing to the church at Corinth.
Not true, they just point out where you are in error....
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 364 anámnÄ“sis (from 363 /anamimnḗskÅ, "bring to mind") – properly, deliberate recollection, done to better appreciate the effects (intended results) of what happened; active, self-prompted recollection especially as a memorial (memorial sacrifice).
stooping to typo's....pathetic.
Which contains nothing but biblical principals.
Too bad couldn't have left it at that; and not apply it's heavy hand to history.
Nah...
..it's Rome's pssh tosh: WDDIM?
And you folks REALLY love your last one!
What a crummy Catholic Paul was!!
1 Corinthians 1:14
I thank God that I didn't baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius
Take a look at this from your "leaders"
"Experience teaches that there is no other remedy for the evil, but to put heretics (Protestants) to death; for the (Romish) church proceeded gradually and tried every remedy: at first she merely excommunicated them; afterwards she added a fine; then she banished them; and finally she was constrained to put them to death." -Cardinal Bellarmine famous champion of Romanism cited by Schumucker p. 76There's your faith and morals, priest is EQUAL TO GOD"The church may by Divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their persons, and condemn them to the flames." -Vatican II
Power of Consecrating:
The supreme power of the priestly office is the power of consecrating. 'No act is greater,' says St. Thomas, 'than the consecration of the body of Christ.' In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and the authority of God Himself. When the priest pronounces the tremendous works of Consecration, he reaches up into heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man."It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. For, while the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man - not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ the Eternal and Omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.
"Of what sublime dignity is the office of the Christian priest who is thus privileged to act as the ambassador and the vicegerent of Christ on earth! He continues the essential ministry of Christ; he teaches the faithful with the authority of Christ, he pardons the penitent sinner with the power of Christ, he offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary. No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially found of applying to the priest is that of 'alter Christus.' For the priest is and should be another Christ" (Faith of Millions, John O'Brien, Ph.D., LL.D., 268-269, "nihil obstat" by Rev. T. E. Dillon-Censor Librorum and "imprimatur" by John Francis Noll, D.D. -Bishop of Fort Wayne).
"The priest says: Hoc est corpus meum, he has to say it for the validity of the consecration. Meum! But it is not he who says these words; his voice indeed we hear, but he is only the instrument of the Sovereign Priest: our Lord speaks through His minister. The glory of this minister consists precisely in disappearing, in allowing Jesus to act through his personality: Sacerdos alter Christus. This Christ now offering Himself to God by the hands of the priest is the same Christ who is in heaven. Same happiness, same power, same majesty. He is performing the same acts, offering the same adorations, the same thanksgiving, the same prayers. He, the object of the beatitude of the elect, is now in the hands of the priest: Agnoscite quod agitis. But if really the priest causes our Lord to be present on the altar, if he offers Him, whilst Jesus is now in heaven, have we not to conclude that it is from the very bosom of the Father that the priest draws this divine Victim? Agnoscite quod agitis". (Our Priesthood, Rev.Joseph Bruneau, S.D.D., 149-151, "nihil obstat" by M.F. Dinneen, S.S.,D.D. -Censor deputatus, "imprimatur" by James Cardinal Gibbons -Archbishop of Baltimore, "Re-Imprimatur" by Michael J. Curley -Archbishop of Baltimore).
"...we find in the obediance to the words of his priests --- Hoc est Corpus Meum ---
God Himself descends on the altar, that he comes whenever they call him, and as often as they call him, and places himself in their hands, even though they should be his enemies. And after having come, he remains, entirely at their disposal; they move him as they please, from one place to another; they may, if they wish, shut him up in the tabernacle, expose him on the altar, or carry him outside the church; they may, if they choose, eat his flesh, and give him for the food of others. 'Oh, how very great is their power!' -The Dignity of the Priesthood by Ligouri p. 26,27
Oh and BTW, Jesus was NOT a victim. He gave up His life for us.
To say that Jesus is a victim is blaspheme. Talk about heretics...
Repeating this where Jesus is treated like a little puppet:
God Himself descends on the altar, that he comes whenever they call him, and as often as they call him, and places himself in their hands, even though they should be his enemies. And after having come, he remains, entirely at their disposal; they move him as they please, from one place to another; they may, if they wish, shut him up in the tabernacle, expose him on the altar, or carry him outside the church; they may, if they choose, eat his flesh, and give him for the food of others. 'Oh, how very great is their power!'
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