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To: Arthur McGowan

In response to both 54 and 55, I am not arguing against using geography or archeology as supporting evidence of Christian faith.

We do know that Jesus was wrapped in grave clothes when He was buried. Those clothes could still be with us, or they may not.

My point is that if it possible that any of Christ’s blood remains here on earth, in the ground, on the wood of the cross, on the crown of thorns, on the grave clothes, etc. then that blood would not have any corruption such as oxidation. My initial comment was on your speculation about what happened to the blood of Christ that we may reasonably suppose was soaked into His grave clothes. You indicated that His blood could undergo some type of decay. And I pointed out that this is not possible.

Whether I use a computer or not is completely unrelated to the logic of my argument. The Bible does not forbid computers. It does not deny computers exist or would ever exist. It is simply silent.

On the blood of Christ, the scripture is not silent. We may speculate about things like the shroud, but it is not reasonable to put forth theories which contradict the Bible if your premise is based on a genuine belief in the resurrection.


56 posted on 12/22/2015 3:16:21 PM PST by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: unlearner
You indicated that His blood could undergo some type of decay. And I pointed out that this is not possible.

Thank you for clarifying the issue.

My position is that the Scriptures you cite are

1) saying that Jesus Christ would never see corruption IN THE TOMB, because he would rise from the dead on the third day, because the flesh of Jesus is untouched by Original Sin or any personal sin, and that

2) the Scriptures are not making the trivial, silly, and magical prediction that each drop of blood, each strand of hair, each fingernail clipping, each skin cell (all of which are ALREADY DEAD on the surface of every living human being) are EACH and EVERY one of them incorruptible.

If the traces of blood on the Shroud are blood shed by Jesus, does Scripture teach that they MUST be moist, fresh, red, and ALIVE? Nonsense. Since they are not moist, fresh, red, and alive, does Scripture compel us to disbelieve that they are from Jesus? Also nonsense. Scripture (OT) tells us that Jesus Christ would rise from the dead, and the NT tells us that Jesus Christ did rise from the dead. Scripture tells us nothing about what would happen to each shed skin cell and each shed drop of blood.

When Scripture talks about what is "incorruptible," are you so sure it is talking about biological, chemical incorruptibility, and not incorruptibility by sin? I presume you accept the principle that no RESPONSIBLE theologizing can be done on the basis of any translation of Scripture. Pious reflection or theorizing, fine, but to base any theological position on a modern translation is the rankest amateurism.

57 posted on 12/22/2015 4:35:02 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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