Posted on 12/16/2015 12:50:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
You mentioned Islam and yourself disbelieving the NT, this puts both of you are in the same boat. Both Islam and Judaism (and Noahides, I suppose) claim to keep the law, yet the NT says
Yes yes yes. And the koran says. And the book of mormon says. And the rig veda says. And the upanishads say. Etc., etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum.
The thing is G-d had already spoken and that revelation sits in judgment on all later claims of revelation.
In other words, until you can first prove the "new testament," quoting it means absolutely nothing.
I have no idea in the world why chrstians believe quoting the "new testament" or the claims of chrstianity constitute proof.
The basic delusion, which has reigned in the Catholic Church for fifty years, is that what is most important is meetings between LEADERS—Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist CLERGY flying all over the world, having meetings, and issuing documents.
Robert Spencer was barred from speaking at a Catholic church by the bishop of Manchester, N.H., on the grounds that it would damage “interfaith dialogue.”
Meanwhile, INDIVIDUAL Lutherans, Anglicans, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus become Catholics—which is the ONLY “interfaith dialogue” that means ANYTHING.
No offense intended at all, but appears that’s you’ve missed the obvious clear text there. Roman Catholicism believes and teaches that the plan of salvation includes the Muslims who (Rome claims) worships the same god as Rome does.
Now, that may be true, that both parties worship the same god. However, the True God of Abraham is NOT the god that the Muslims worship.
So that leaves you to decide if Islam and Roman Catholicism are what you ought to be betting your soul and eternal destiny on. Rome says that Islam worships the same god they do.
Better make sure which god that means to you. If you are with the Muslim god that Rome says you “worship together” you are on the wrong side my friend.
If you’re thinking that you worship the same god as Muslims then that’s some stinking thinking. No offenses of course.
But Why would you even get involved with a religion that claims to worship the same god as Muslims?
I’d rather be dead that worship that demon.
>I don’t know why a premillenialist such as yourself is so hostile to Jews and Judaism when most are so supportive.
Without writing a book on this, trying to put this in a few words: I am a Historic Premillennialist - as opposed to Dispensationalist Premillennialist. It appears you may have me confused with the latter.
“Historic,” meaning the eschatological beliefs represented in ancient writers such as Justin, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Victorinus - before the rise of Roman Catholicism and their Amillennial system. Justin, etc., were post-trib and premillennialist. Pretrib Dispensationalism did not arise until the early 19th century.
The Dispensationalist variety interprets the church and Israel very differently from Historic Premill.
This is the correct answer, "teacher" Don-o. This article doesn't change a darn thing.
Yep, it's Francis.
Gods grace, which is the grace of Jesus Christ according to our faith, is available to all. Therefore, the Church believes that Judaism, i.e. the faithful response of the Jewish people to Gods irrevocable covenant, is salvific for them, because God is faithful to his promises.
" Confessing the universal and therefore also exclusive mediation of salvation through Jesus Christ belongs to the core of Christian faith. . . . [T]he Church and Judaism cannot be represented as "two parallel ways to salvation."It literally says Judaism is not a parallel way to salvation. That's pretty on-your-nose for a product of the Vatican document-factory.
The question is, do you agree with what Rome teaches and declares that Catholics must believe: that Catholics and Muslims worship the same God.
No, that is not the question. The question is. "Do you agree with everything Jesus said, or do you but profess to believe ?" He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee. And he must needs go through Samaria. Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour. There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
John, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses three to twenty six, as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
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You just delivered exactness, succinctly.
Wish it were YOU who occupied a position of guidance to the pope in developing both examples of speaking.
THIS is how teaching the faith is well done. With clarity.
I don't know why a premillenialist such as yourself is so hostile to Jews and Judaism when most are so supportive.
Without writing a book on this, trying to put this in a few words: I am a Historic Premillennialist--as opposed to Dispensationalist Premillennialist. It appears you may have me confused with the latter.
"Historic," meaning the eschatological beliefs represented in ancient writers such as Justin, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Victorinus - before the rise of Roman Catholicism and their Amillennial system. Justin, etc., were post-trib and premillennialist. Pretrib Dispensationalism did not arise until the early 19th century.
The Dispensationalist variety interprets the church and Israel very differently from Historic Premill.
This is both interesting and informative. Thank you.
Let me guess, bad report the first time?
Haven’t had time to dig in.
From the Christian confession that there can be only one path to salvation, however, it does not in any way follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the Son of God.....That the Jews are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly, is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery.
Heresy.
Interesting that the article left those parts out. Are you sure it's trustworthy?
Let's see what Pope Pius IX has to say about the Jews:
the Catholic Church has always been accustomed to pray for the Jewish people, who were the depository of divine promises up until the arrival of Jesus Christ, notwithstanding their subsequent blindness, or rather, because of this very blindness. Moved by that charity, the Apostolic See has protected the same people from unjust ill-treatment, and just as it censures all hatred and enmity among people, so it altogether condemns in the highest degree possible hatred against the people once chosen by God, viz., the hatred that now is what is usually meant in common parlance by the term known generally as “anti-Semitism.â€
This is to be distinguished from willful blindness and culpably negligent ignorance.
Invincible ignorance is NOT what that quote was referring to.
Oh wait these explanations are coming from Jimmy Akin..post Vatican II apologist extraordinaire. That explains a lot. If Francis said Christ was not God he could explain it away. Any serious Catholic needs to ignore him and seek out pre-Vatican II Catholic teaching...
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