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To: Boogieman
This is some Vatican commission on relations with Judaism speaking. If the Pope wanted to say it under his own name, he would have done so.

"Neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed towards Jews" doesn't imply that Jews aren't worth saving, nor that there is no objective need for them to convert. That's reading more into it than it actually says.

his own church's doctrine clearly states that not being evangelized is a sure path to damnation?

Not sure where you're getting this from. Catholic doctrine always teaches that damnation is the consequence of voluntary fault. "Not being evangelized" isn't a voluntary fault of the person who wasn't evangelized, but it may very well be one of the person who was supposed to evangelize, but didn't!

19 posted on 12/10/2015 10:33:07 AM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Campion
This is some Vatican commission on relations with Judaism speaking. If the Pope wanted to say it under his own name, he would have done so.

Bergoglio has already officially spoken so: in Laudato Si, he slipped it in.

24 posted on 12/10/2015 10:41:26 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Campion

“Neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed towards Jews” doesn’t imply that Jews aren’t worth saving, nor that there is no objective need for them to convert. That’s reading more into it than it actually says.


I don’t think so. They are evangelizing everyone else in the world (besides other Christians), aren’t they? Why can’t they be bothered with the Jews then? It isn’t because the Jews are already saved, so the only conclusion I can draw is that the Catholic church must believe the Jews aren’t worth saving, or that God doesn’t want the Catholic church to try and save them...

If that is an unfair conclusion, then what other reason could there be?


“Not sure where you’re getting this from. Catholic doctrine always teaches that damnation is the consequence of voluntary fault.”


Well there are only two ultimate states, salvation or damnation. All of us will end up in one of those states or the other, so if someone cannot reach salvation, they are on the road to damnation by simple logic. Now, regarding evangelization, the Catholic catechism states:

“851 Missionary motivation. It is from God’s love for all men that the Church in every age receives both the obligation and the vigor of her missionary dynamism, “for the love of Christ urges us on.”343 Indeed, God “desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth”;344 that is, God wills the salvation of everyone through the knowledge of the truth. Salvation is found in the truth. Those who obey the prompting of the Spirit of truth are already on the way of salvation. But the Church, to whom this truth has been entrusted, must go out to meet their desire, so as to bring them the truth. Because she believes in God’s universal plan of salvation, the Church must be missionary.”

The catechism clearly states that you can be on “the way of salvation” outside the Catholic church, but the church must “go out to meet their desire, so as to bring them the truth”, and that “Salvation is found in the truth”. So, if the church doesn’t go out and meet them, then they won’t find the truth, and they won’t find salvation.

I can’t really see any way to reconcile that doctrine with the statements in this article.


42 posted on 12/10/2015 11:48:03 AM PST by Boogieman
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