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You Want Civil War? Bring It (response to Ross Douthat letter to liberal Catholic theologians)
American Conservative ^ | October 31, 2015 | ROD DREHER

Posted on 11/01/2015 1:53:00 PM PST by NYer

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Ross Douthat politely but definitively unloads on the liberal Catholic theologians who griped about his opining in The New York Times, critical of Pope Francis and his allies in attempting to liberalize Catholic teaching on marriage, divorce, and communion. Excerpt:

At which point we come to the third argument, which makes an appearance in your letter: You don’t understand, you’re not a theologian. As indeed I am not. But neither is Catholicism supposed to be an esoteric religion, its teachings accessible only to academic adepts. And the impression left by this moving target, I’m afraid, is that some reformers are downplaying their real position in the hopes of bringing conservatives gradually along.

What is that real position? That almost anything Catholic can change when the times require it, and “developing” doctrine just means keeping up with capital-H History, no matter how much of the New Testament is left behind.

As I noted earlier, the columnist’s task is to be provocative. So I must tell you, openly and not subtly, that this view sounds like heresy by any reasonable definition of the term.

Now it may be that today’s heretics are prophets, the church will indeed be revolutionized, and my objections will be ground under with the rest of conservative Catholicism. But if that happens, it will take hard grinding, not just soft words and academic rank-pulling. It will require a bitter civil war.

And so, my dear professors: Welcome to the battlefield.

Read the whole thing. It is marvelous. That is a Catholic layman who has stones. That is a Catholic layman who is prepared to fight for what he believes to be true. I hope that the courage of his very public witness gives orthodox Catholic priests, theologians, laymen and all others what they need to find their own voice.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: americanconservative; catholic; epa; globalwarminghoax; patbuchanan; popefrancis; roddreher; romancatholicism
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

The Catholic Church is not the one and only true church, which is evidenced by today’s headlines of who sits in the Vatican throne room. Moreover, personal testimony can use the pronoun I, and so can other sentences. It does not make anyone Obama for doing so. If Francis is not the False Prophet of Revelation, then he certainly is giving the future False Prophet lessons on how it’s done.


21 posted on 11/01/2015 5:59:06 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: NYer
No: In politics and religion alike, a doctrine emptied in practice is actually emptied, whatever official rhetoric suggests.

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What is that real position? That almost anything Catholic can change when the times require it, and “developing” doctrine just means keeping up with capital-H History, no matter how much of the New Testament is left behind.

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And so, my dear professors: Welcome to the battlefield.

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22 posted on 11/01/2015 6:25:24 PM PST by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: FourtySeven

Benedict, as he aged, did not have a Ratzinger as his strong right arm, as John Paul II did , especially during his last five years. But John Paul took over a Church that was rent by faction and as Ratzinger played a an every growing role , the liberals saw themselves losing the battle, and they resisted and waited their time. Liberals see the Church as a vast NGO with clerical trappings, a giant-sized version of the Episcopal Church.


23 posted on 11/02/2015 4:38:10 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: oblomov

Douthat is doing a nice job in a tricky niche at the NYT.


24 posted on 11/02/2015 4:48:22 AM PST by Yardstick
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